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--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Fred" <fctonetti@xxxx> wrote:
> See below ...
> 
> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "jtelang" <jtelang@xxxx> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I was planning to run some backtests on MF data, but I've
> > never traded them before, so was hoping people who trade
> > them (Fred?) could offer some insights on some basic 
> > questions -
> > 
> > 1. What are the good measures to identify liquidity and
> > market cap of a MF?
> >
> 
> You can check their total assets at Morningstar or elsewhere.  If 
you 
> mean the market cap that some particular fund invests in you can 
> usually tell by it's name and if not then at Morningstar.
>  
> > 2. Are there any funds that are more advantageous to trade
> > than others? Are the any gotchas in some, which should be
> > avoided?
> > 
> 
> Not to be silly but that's like asking if there are any stocks that 
> are more advantageous than others.  In trading/investing in mf's  
> remember that you are basically trading the portfolio managers 
> ability to select companies to be included and his timeliness for 
> getting rid of dogs etc.  As far as individual companies that they 
> select based on their fundamentals they will as a rule of course be 
> much farther up on the knowledge curve then individual investors 
> are.  The main gotcha I would point out is that for the most part, 
I 
> would not think of mf's as short term vehicles.  The industry has 
in 
> a variety of quarters started putting on early redemption fees for 
> short term trading which can wind up being the same as slippage for 
> those who short term trade.  By the same token however, there are 
> ways around this via hedging etc.
> 
> > 3. Any market signal better than others to identify market
> > trend when it comes to MF's, i.e. is RUT better than SPX or
> > does it not matter much? Any others that work better according
> > to market cap or type of the fund?
> > 
> As Gary points out in his Camtasia presentation a market timing 
> signal ought to be in tune with what one is trading so as a result 
I 
> would say that if you are interested in trading small cap mf's that 
a 
> timing signal that related to what RUT was doing would be 
> appropriate.  There are of course loads of index oriented funds out 
> there but as a rule these are not where the best opportunities are.
> 
> > 4. Using 0.1% as commission in backtests is realistic,
> > since there's no slippage involved, is that right?
> > 
> This is a function of what your brokerage charges and the size of 
> your trades.  But yes there should be no slippage.  EOD NAV is EOD 
> NAV.
> 
> > 5. Is it reasonable to run tests with zero delay, with the
> > assumption that market trend and other external conditions
> > could calculated a few minutes before the close, and then
> > trade could be entered just in time?
> > 
> Yes, I do this evrey day.  Some but not most funds have cutoffs 
prior 
> to 4:00 but in general a trade that is entered at 3:59:45 is as 
good 
> as one entered an hour earlier.  I have never had a trade not go  
> through for any other reason than the fact that I executed it late.
> 
> > 6. Are there any sites, books, etc. that talk about MF trading 
> > techniques?
> > 
> Look here http://www.madriver.com/~wwgansz/ for one of the more 
> knowledgable folks in this area, Werner Gansz who Gary referred to 
in 
> his presentation.  This is fairly new site that I think Werner 
> started just for fun which he updates about once a week.  FT-Talk 
> http://www.ft-talk.com/forums/ is also a good site but it's a pay 
> site where loads of stuff is openly published.  There are other 
> FT'ers here who are much more knowledgable about Trade & FT then I 
am 
> who are also AB'ers.  I could name some, but maybe they'll step 
> forward.  If you are capable of picking up code from other 
languages 
> fairly quickly you could look here http://home.earthlink.net/~dexf/ 
> for TRADE related code that has been published by folks from FT-
> Talk.  This is as the name implies a FastTrack board.  You'll find 
> tutorials there for TRADE and links to where the full doc for TRADE 
> and the s/w can be gotten for free.
> 
> > Thanks in advance.
> > 
> > Jitu



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