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[amibroker] Re: "He done blew up...real good"



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Of course you did, lol.

--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Kevin243@xxxx wrote:
> A few years ago, I read Ryan's book and ran extensive simulations on
an Excel 
> spreadsheet using a random number generator and basic trading system 
> statistic, (eg. %Wins, %Loss, etc.).  I used it on Stocks however. 
What Steve said 
> below is what I found.  It will really get a small account moving,
one way or 
> another.  After the account grows in size (and not the other way),
the leverage 
> decreases significantly until there is almost none.  This is pretty
easy to 
> run on a spreadsheet.  
> 
> I like the deterministic methods of Optimal F,  however, it is
difficult and 
> cumbersome to work with for the nightly chore of managing a
porfolio.  If I 
> had a huge portfolio and a staff of techies, then maybe it could
make it work.
> 
> I'm really looking forward to getting the margin feature working in
Amibroker 
> to run some portfolio simulations.  I think this will be very
enlightening.
> 
> Kevin Campbell
> 
> In a message dated 10/30/03 2:11:38 PM Central Standard Time, 
> kernish@xxxx writes:
> Mark,
> 
> I looked through my emails for the last year and came up with the
following 
> message.  After reading his book, I asked for opinions from my research 
> associates and here's a response from a large money manager (who
really trades 
> hundreds of minis at a whack):
> 
> "I read "The Trading Game" last weekend, and I was NOT impressed.  
> 
> First off, I find it remarkable that people can get so much attention 
> for the radical concept of position sizing.  I mean, are there that 
> many people out there who don't understand that you'll make more 
> profits (assuming a positive expectation) if you trade multiple 
> contracts!?  Jones talks like scaling your size up is a huge 
> revelation.    
> 
> But ignoring that, I think his Fixed Ratio approach is bogus.  IMO 
> his entire premise is flawed:  he looks at the per-contract profit it 
> takes to move from 1 to 2 contracts, and he says that it should take 
> the same per-contract profit to move from X to X+1 contracts.  I.e. 
> if you need $10k profit to move from 1 to 2 contracts, you should 
> need $10k profit **per contract** to move from 100 to 101.  You'd 
> need $1M total profit to increase by 1 contract.    
> 
> I think this is flawed for 2 reasons:  first, it relies much too 
> heavily on the size of the contract.  The entire leverage structure 
> he computes would be totally different for, say, $250 SP's vs. $500 
> SP's.  But the big flaw is his use of additive growth instead of 
> percentage growth.  Moving from 1 contract to 2 isn't equivalent to 
> moving from 100 to 101; it's like moving from 100 to 200!  I think 
> simple fixed-fractional approaches handle the position sizing much 
> more logically.    
> 
> What really honks me off, though, is the way he cooks the books to 
> make his approach look good.  Fundamentally what he's doing is using 
> very high leverage when the account is small, and backing off as the 
> account gets big.  This has the advantage that it gets the small 
> account off the ground & running quickly.  But it also exposes you to 
> a lot more risk early on.  He uses all kinds of examples to show how 
> the FR approach can take a $X per contract loss with a much lower 
> drawdown than FF -- but he constructs his examples so that drawdown 
> happens AFTER he's scaled back the leverage.  He conveniently 
> neglects to mention that the FR approach would BANKRUPT you if that 
> same per-contract loss happened early on with higher leverage.    
> 
> Add to that a host of logical and math errors, and I was SERIOUSLY 
> underwhelmed.    
> 
> My advice would be to use a basic Fixed Fractional approach.  Decide 
> what leverage works for you, taking into account your risk tolerance, 
> the Optimal F of your system (make sure you trade far UNDER the 
> "optimal" F value), etc, and just risk a constant percentage on each 
> trade.  As your account grows, you may decide to back off on the 
> leverage a bit.  You can do all that without the Fixed Ratio 
> complexities."   
> 
> "Extensively tested"?  Isn't that what Ryan did with his own account
when he 
> blew it up?  Oh, maybe he sell books on fixed ratio and then goes
out and 
> trades with a different style.  Either way, with or without FR, he
did "blow up".  
> And as John Candy used to say on SCTV:  "Wow, he blew up real good."
> 
> Take care,
> 
> Steve


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