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RE: Objective functions (was RE: [amibroker] Re: Optimization -- again)



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<SPAN 
class=315192120-19102003>I'm not trying to be argumentative, honest (:-)... I'm 
more than a little sick of saying the same thing over and over, but I  j u 
s t   d o n ' t   g e t   i t 
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<SPAN 
class=315192120-19102003>I fail to see the huge difference in principle between 
equity feedback and backtesting. 
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<SPAN 
class=315192120-19102003>let's start by assuming that backtesting performance of 
a system and its parameters over some period of past data tells you something 
about its future performance. it's not a perfect predictor, but it's the best 
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size=2>does this seem like a reasonable starting 
point? what alternative is there?
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<SPAN 
class=315192120-19102003>if that's true, why is it better to do it only once? 
what justification is there for picking one examination period over another? 
clearly market behavior will change continually after that. don't we need a way 
of working that looks at what's been happening and evolves our 
response?
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<SPAN 
class=315192120-19102003>sounds like we examine performance up to some point and 
adjust, trade with the best-choice system and parameters for a while, then 
examine and adjust again later. make sense? what alternative is 
there?
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<SPAN 
class=315192120-19102003>so then, how often do we re-examine performance 
history? to put it differently, how long do we ignore any changes in market 
dynamics that may or may not have occurred? why would intermittently refusing to 
look and respond improve system performance or reliability?
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<SPAN 
class=315192120-19102003>if that needs to be done, why not have the system 
itself do it, as part of its inherent operation? why is it better for us as an 
outside agent to periodically run some separate tests, reach into the 
internals of the system, and change stuff? 
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<SPAN 
class=315192120-19102003>or should we just continue with the system and 
parameters we choose at the beginning? are they somehow more valid than 
what we'd choose later, using the same backtesting methods, but on a 
different date range of data?
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<SPAN 
class=315192120-19102003>I realize that even if it seems to make sense 
logically, this all a complete crock if no systems put together like this even 
backtest well, never mind forward testing.
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<SPAN 
class=315192120-19102003>but every time I think about abandoning this line of 
research, it seems like the first thing I'd want to do with a new system would 
be (let me guess), test and possibly adjust it using data up to some date, then 
run with it for a while after that and see if equity growth is good. if it is, 
I'd want to lather, rinse and repeat with other in and out of sample data, to 
make sure that wasn't coincidence. 
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<SPAN 
class=315192120-19102003>sounds way too familiar to be a completely different 
animal.
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<SPAN 
class=315192120-19102003>dave
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  That IS what I was 
  trying to say.  I suspect because equity feed back is like looking in 
  a rear view mirror, great for letting us know  where we were and how 
  we could have adjusted the past to make it better, but that's about 
  it.






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