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Re: [amibroker] Re: OT Forex for the sublimely naive



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You are calling the whole world a fool, every time 
you buy and sell...
 
Pal,
 
I have a different opinion:
 
The symbol of all relationships 
among such men, the moral symbol of respect for human beings, is the 
trader.  We, who live by values, not by loot, are traders, both in manner 
and spirit.  A trader is a man who earns what he gets and does not give or 
take the undeserved.  A trader does not ask to be paid for 
his failure, he does not ask to be loved for his flaws.  A trader does not 
squander his body as fodder, or his soul as alms.  Just as he does not give 
his work except in trade for material values, so he does not give the values of 
his spirit -- his love, his friendship, his esteem – except in payment and in 
trade for human virtue, in payment for his own selfish pleasure, which he 
receives from men he can respect.  The mystic parasites who have, 
throughout the ages, reviled the trader and held him in contempt, while honoring 
beggars and looters, have known the secret motive of their sneers:  a 
trader is an entity they dread - a man of justice.
 
Ayn Rand
 
 
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  >From: 
  palsanand 
  
  To: <A title=amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  href="">amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:07 
  PM
  Subject: [amibroker] Re: OT Forex for the 
  sublimely naive
  Hi,> > First of all, to address the claim 
  that you cannot lose more than> your investment in Forex trading:  
  Pure, unadulterated horse hockey.> > I'm sorry to be the bearer 
  of bad news, but I am positive that you> can lose more than your 
  initial investment on ANY leveraged play. I> am 100 percent positive 
  that if you look at the fine print on your> brokerage contract, you 
  will see something along the order of: "will> **attempt** to liquidate 
  your position should your equity value> suddenly break certain levels", 
  zero being the last ditch, they will> first have a level for a "margin 
  call" and another level for a> liquidation below that. Note however, 
  that it will NOT always be> possible to get you out at a price that 
  ensures you do not experience> negative equity, and further note 
  that your brokerage does NOT for> one hot second intend to take a hit 
  on a position you created if it> goes against you so suddenly that your 
  equity becomes negative.> Believe me, they intend to come after you for 
  the balance; I'm *sure*> it's in the fine-print of your contract 
  (if not the bold-print); and> yes you CAN lose your house.  Will 
  you lose it?  Probably not. But> you can, or at least you can take 
  a hit far in excess of what you> planned to risk, and you should not be 
  deceived about that. Enough> said on that.Your broker does not 
  take you out of the market, but the trading platform software does.  
  It takes you out (closes all positions) when you do not have sufficient 
  margin (Guaranteed, rest assured).> > Next, the joys and 
  perils of leverage:> > It is, as most of you know, a very sharp 
  double-edged sword.  When> you are right, it is a gains 
  multiplier.  When you are wrong however,> it is a loss 
  multiplier IN EXACTLY THE SAME PROPORTION. There is no> way I know of 
  to have the potential for huge gains, without also> having the 
  potential for huge losses.  Anyone who suggests otherwise> is 
  either sublimely naive or has an agenda, IMNSHO.Sometimes, you have to 
  have narrow stops, sometimes wide stops and sometimes no stops (combine 
  options with the straight underlying instrument) to Cut losses short and 
  Let profits run.> > Finally, a bit of a historical 
  note:> > I have been around for some unreal yen/dollar 
  moves.  I have seen the> trends reverse on a dime, with 
  explosions in the other direction that> will rattle your teeth and 
  turn your position to ashes, especially a> leveraged position. Take a 
  look for example (and this is a rather> mild one) at the "trending 
  move" in late 2001 that took the yen from> about 120 up to about 135 
  very suddenly.  Then look at the yen at 120> 6 months later 
  going the other way.  These things are just as tricky> to time as 
  stocks or futures or you name it.  They are not one bit> "easier", 
  and if they were, so many sharp people would immediately> come into the 
  market that any "easiness" would soon vanish as the> sharpies started 
  dueling with each other.  Do not be deceived about> this for one 
  second.> > None of this is a plea to avoid the currency 
  markets.  They can be> traded, and they can be traded 
  successfully.  They are not casinos> where the odds have been 
  turned in favor of the players, however.> They are dangerous places 
  where very sharp people hang out, people> (not to mention central banks 
  that can print fiat currency at will)> with REAL CASH in quantities 
  that can OVERWHELM your puny little> high-leverage position.  They 
  are just waiting for you to make a tiny> little mistake, believe 
  me.  Keep that in mind, and you can probably> play (somewhat) 
  safely.> > Okay, I said my piece.  Back to work 
  everyone.  ^_^> > YukiWell,  I don't just 
  trade because I'm smart, but because I'm the smartest man in the 
  world...  That is exactly what you say every time you buy and 
  sell;  You are calling the whole world a fool, every time you buy and 
  sell...  That you bought or sold the underlying instrument (whether 
  stocks, bonds or futures or FOREX) before everybody else did...  
  Trading is the most ARROGANT thing a human being can do...  If you 
  want to make money trading, don't be just arrogant, be smart 
  too...Regards,PalSend 
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