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Re: [amibroker] Tillson and Jurik



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Steve,
 
I get exactly the same equity curve as Herman did, a little jagged but 
fairly nice. The problem is, it is only good for a few stocks (yes, I know you 
developed it only for the QQQs), but you would think it ought to work for other 
stocks, wouldn't you? Why do you suppose it's only applicable for QQQ? Just 
curious. 
 
Al Venosa
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  Subject: RE: [amibroker] Tillson and 
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  [Steve Karnish] Maybe he can post 
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    size=2>-----Original Message-----From: CedarCreekTrading 
    [mailto:kernish@xxxxxxxxxxx]Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 
    1:53 PMTo: <A 
    href="">amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: 
    [amibroker] Tillson and Jurik
    
    Dave,Although I have "knocked back beers" with Tim many times, 
    he has neveroffered a systematic approach that incorporates the 
    T3.  In fact, for muchof the last 18 months, Tim has played with 
    the StoRSI (which the FortCollins group has tagged: "the Karnish 
    System").  Loosely interpreted, it isa stochastically 
    modified,  momentum oscillator.  He spent a lot of 
    timetweaking the variables of the formula and optimizing the trigger 
    levels.I have teased Tim and Dave during the last year and called 
    them a bunch of"beer-guzzling, over-optimizers".  All in good 
    fun.  They are much brighterthan I could ever aspire to.  In 
    fact, Dave is going to speak this month, tothe Denver Trading Group, on 
    the pitfalls of over-optimizing.  He and Timdid exactly that with 
    the simple StoRSI approach to theQQQ's...over-optimized.  They have 
    taken the StoRSI and substitutedoptimized variables in the 
    formula.When I offered the StoRSI, systematic approach, to the their 
    group, inDecember of '01, I suggested applying it to the QQQ's with a 13 
    and 87trigger.  I also suggested applying a trend 
    qualifier.Recently, Herman sent me a nice "picture" of the results 
    of this system (onthe QQQ's) with a 21sma as the trade qualifier.  
    Maybe he can post theequity graph for the group.  I think the AFL 
    library has all the bloodydetails: // Steve Karnish 
    StoRSIStochRsi=EMA((RSI(8)-LLV(RSI(8),8))/(HHV(RSI(8),8)-LLV(RSI(8),8)),3)*100;Buy=Cross(17,StochRsi) 
    AND Ref(MA(C,21),-1) < 
    MA(C,21);;Sell=Cross(StochRsi,83);Short=Cross(StochRsi,83) AND 
    Ref(MA(C,21),-1) > MA(C,21);Cover=Cross(17,StochRsi);There 
    seems to be a misconception among technical traders that "quicker 
    is,indeed, better".  Quicker is better only if it leads to a 
    smoother and saferequity curves.  There is no doubt that Tim and 
    Jurik have developed somesensitive indicators.  Neither has 
    incorporated them into trading systems(as far as I know).As you 
    are aware, many indicators are helpful in the hands of a 
    disciplined"artist" that can apply them to markets to make subjective 
    decisions.  SinceI don't trust myself to interpret "wiggles", I 
    lean more toward formulaethat can be slammed into objective approaches 
    that can be backtested (in andout of sample).I appreciate 
    vendors like Fitchen (Aberration) that can produce aindependently, 
    verifiable track record.  At least when you plunk your moneydown, 
    you know what has occurred during the last five years.  I am 
    lessexcited about vendors who peddled subjective tools that are left to 
    thebuyers discretion (to be applied to markets).  $300 for a black 
    box formulais not something I'm going to spend my money for.For 
    that matter, I have 100 formulas that I will sell you for $3 each (or 
    $3for all of them).  There's quite a difference between a "formula" 
    and a"systematic approach".  Do you want "tools" or do you want 
    "tools andrules"?  Building the "grail" starts with a reliable 
    indicator (there aredozens).  This is only the starting 
    point.  I get excited when someonebuilds the entire 
    mousetrap.I will contact Tim and ask him for examples (besides the 
    public articles) ofhow to incorporate the T3 into a trading 
    approach.  Jurik's work is floatingaround and I'm sure someone can 
    comment on how to apply his indicators.  Trysuper-imposing a 10 
    period ema on top of the Jurik or Tillson work (hard totell the 
    difference).  I believe Perry Kaufman turned me on to it.  Keep 
    inmind, there is a lot of good stuff for free.Take 
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