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Yuki,
 
That was a neat story, albeit anecdotal. Very interesting. I remember years 
ago, when I was interested in O'Neil's CANSLIM method of trading, that he used 
to recommend SOME institutional ownership, but not a huge amount. He favored 
(and still does, I think) lower cap stocks with huge growth potential. You seem 
to be saying the opposite: institutional ownership is good, and the more, the 
better. Am I interpreting you correctly? Doesn't a high degree of institutional 
ownership result in diminished volatility, to the point of being less tradeable 
since the stock moves ever so slowly? Apparently not, at least in your case with 
Softbank. 
 
As always, I enjoy your provocative posts. 
 
Al Venosa
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  Yuki 
  Taga 
  To: <A title=amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
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  Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 9:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [amibroker] Narrowing in on 
  Tradable Stocks
  Hi Phsst,Saturday, July 19, 2003, 9:38:44 AM, you 
  wrote:P> Top    % of      
  Avg        Avg P> # of   
  Total     BETA  InstitutionalP> Issues  
  Vol              
  OwnershipP> on 
  List           
  P>  3     10%P>  
  20    25%       
  1.76     68.23%P> 100    
  48%       1.48     
  65.85%P> 200    61%       
  1.41     68.19%P> 300    
  69%       1.36     
  68.86%P> 400    75%       
  1.34     66.71%P> The top 400 issues traded a 
  minimum of $50 million USD each.Interesting statistics.  The 
  institutional ownership statistic mightbe telling.  Back in '98 and 
  '99 I used to actively trade a stockhere called Softbank.  It was one 
  of the high tech high flyers, andfor some reason I could make money 
  actively trading this stock.  Atthe time my account was with Nikko 
  Securities, and the branch managerat that branch was my broker.  One 
  day he told me that I was the onlyretail person he knew that traded the 
  stock, that it was mostly onlytraded by institutions.The stock 
  went very high by early 2000, then imploded with the restof its ilk, 
  losing well over 90 percent of its value.  During thisimplosion, the 
  stock lost institutional sponsorship, and when theprice got low enough, it 
  started to become a retail favorite.  Aboutthat time, I lost the 
  ability to trade the stock profitably.  Itchanged from an "orderly" 
  stock to one that was extremely volatile,and worst of all, no pattern or 
  characteristics to the volatilitythat I could see or take advantage 
  of.  I haven't traded the stock inwell over 2 years now, and it 
  continues on it's erratic way.  I watchit once in a great while on 
  one of my axillary screens.So what do we know from this?  Well, 
  we know that a stock *can* gofrom very tradable to very difficult if not 
  impossible to trade.  Butperhaps we can also see that heavy 
  institutional ownership andtrading may contribute greatly to orderliness, 
  as difficult as thatis going to be to arrive at a universal definition of. 
  Interestingstory of one stock, anyway.By the way, those betas 
  above are dead-on the average betas of the 5stocks I routinely 
  trade.Best,YukiSend 
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