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size=2>-----Original Message-----From: Phsst [mailto:phsst@xxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 3:24 PMTo: 
amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: [amibroker] Re: Fasttrack 
/TradeCode - HeadsUpChuck,Not a 
problem.In fact I almost feel like I owe you an apology for publishing 
mybacktest results since I did it in a 'shoot from the hip' 
fashionwithout really even understanding the 'HeadsUp' methodology, 
ortailoring the filtering, delay and entry/exit stradegies. But it 
appears that you are still interested enough to continue withthe 
persuit.BTW... I have a pre-release version of ABPortReport if you want 
totake a look at it. Complete re-design using some of your suggestions.I 
have a couple of known windows type execution bugs, but could usesome Alpha 
testing. Drop me a line if interested.Phsst--- In 
amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Chuck Rademacher"<chuck_rademacher@x> 
wrote:> Phsst...> > When I said "similar" results, I think 
that it's fair to say that the> percentage winners should be expected to 
be near enough to the same.> > I wasn't doubting your integrity or 
ability by any means.   I was just> disappointed that I 
couldn't even come close to the results youobtained.> > To be 
fair to the creator and users of the HeadsUp approach, Ibelieve that> 
they do "jump the gun" and go in prior to the close on the day theyget 
the> signal.  That's acceptable with a half-dozen mutual 
funds.  IMO,however, it> isn't feasible with a basket of a 
hundred or more stocks.> > I will continue to work with it to see 
if I can use it for funds.> > Thanks for getting me started on the 
project.> > Cheers>   -----Original 
Message----->   From: Phsst 
[mailto:phsst@xxxx]>   Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 9:15 
AM>   To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>   
Subject: [amibroker] Re: Fasttrack /TradeCode - HeadsUp> > 
>   I checked... my buy and sell delay setting was = 0. When 
writing my>   own AFL backtests, I control the delays myself, 
so I generally don't>   pay too much attention to some of the 
parameterized settings.> >   When I ran HeadsUp and saw 
the enormous capital requirements I never>   even considered 
wasting time looking at the equity curve. My backtest>   was a 
simple 'kick the tires' run to see if the stradegy was worthy 
of>   further study. The 75% profitable trades figure looked 
interesting.>   Figured I'd wait until I got around to tidying 
up the filtering,>   entry/exit stradegy in an effort to see if 
it might be a viable 'real'>   trading system.> 
>   As far as duplicating our results, seems unlikely since we 
have>   different databases, but if you would like a copy of 
the exact trades>   generated on my db then let me 
know.> >   Sorry if I led you to believe that my 
backtest of HeadsUp revealed the>   'mother of all stradegies'. 
I was just sharing preliminarybacktest data.> >   
One final thing, always doubt the stats presented by others. That 
does>   not mean that they are out to mislead you... it just 
means that they>   may be looking at something differently than 
you, or more importantly,>   looking FOR something different 
than you might be looking for.> >   Regards... 
Phsst> > > >   --- In 
amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Chuck Rademacher">   
<chuck_rademacher@x> wrote:>   > Phsst.... 
HELP!>   >>   > I ran the HeadsUp AFL 
and ended up with the worst looking equitycurve I>   > 
have seen in quite some time.>   >>   > 
So, I tried to figure what I may have done differently from 
you.>   >>   > Then, just for kicks, I 
set the buy and sell delay = 0.   Ah ha....>   > 
excellent results comparible to yours.>   
>>   > Leaving the question... what settings did you use 
for buy/sellprice and>   > delay?>   
>>   > I want to believe the stats you submitted, but I 
sure can't>   reproduce them.>   
>>   > I'm looking forward to hearing from you as I was 
already spending my>   > anticipated 
profits.>   >>   > 
Cheers>   >   -----Original 
Message----->   >   From: Phsst 
[mailto:phsst@xxxx]>   >   Sent: Friday, June 06, 
2003 5:10 PM>   >   To: 
amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>   >   Subject: 
[amibroker] Re: Fasttrack /TradeCode - HeadsUp>   
>>   >>   >   I downloaded 
HeadsUp and backtested it against entire QP2 stock>   
>   database from Jan 1, 2003 to present.>   
>>   >   Results (as measured by my own 
homebrew Portfolio Report):>   >>   
>   Date:  06/06/2003     Report on: 
C:\Test\HeadsUp.csv>   >>   
>>   
>               
LONG TRADES>   >>   >   First 
Trade                     
Jan 2 2003>   >   Last 
Trade                     
Jun 5 2003>   >   Days in 
Test                           
154>   >   # 
Trades                           
15,578>   >   % 
Profitable                           
72.43%>   >   Net 
P/L                              
4,186,042>   >   Rate of Annual 
Return                     
62.43%>   >>   >   Avg Profit 
/ 
Winner                          
512>   >   Avg Days Held - 
Winners                         
22>   >   Avg Loss / 
Loser                        
369>   >   Avg Days Held - 
Losers                         
42>   >   Avg 
PositionSize                      
5,559>   >   Avg Market 
Exposure                 
15,675,008>   >   Max Market 
Exposure                 
23,936,722>   >   Initial 
Equity                          
500,000>   >   Lowest Account 
Value                    
500,000>   >   Maximum Account 
Value                  
4,686,042>   >   Ending Account 
Value                  
4,686,042>   >   Max DD as a % of Account 
Value                 
.62%>   >>   >   
NOTES:>   >>   >   % 
Profitable a very respectable 72.43%>   >   # 
Trades - Excessive>   >   RAR - 62.43% - Not 
eye-popping>   >   Holding period - I'd want to 
reduce holding period for losers>   >   Losers 
were held almost twice as long as winners>   >   
Max DD calculated on 'end of trade basis'... not appropriatefor 
this>   >   style of trading.>   
>>   >   I'd like to play with Fred's Portfolio 
Trader AFL to compareresults.>   >>   
>   HeadsUp shows promise, but I'd want to adapt it to my own 
trading>   style.>   >>   
>   Phsst>   >>   
>   --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Ken Close" 
<closeks@xxxx>wrote:>   >   > 
Rick:  sorry.I see you were asking about the Backtest>   
>   > Report..unfortunately I did this work a long time ago and 
did>   not save>   >   > the 
report.>   >   >>   
>   >>   >   
>>   >   > Ken>   
>   >>   >   
>>   >   >>   
>   > -----Original Message----->   
>   > From: Rick Parsons 
[mailto:RickParsons@xxxx]>   >   > Sent: 
Friday, June 06, 2003 10:11 AM>   >   > To: 
amibroker@xxxx>   >   > Subject: RE: 
[amibroker] Re: Fasttrack /TradeCode>   >   
>>   >   >>   
>   >>   >   > 
Ken,>   >   >>   
>   >>   >   
>>   >   > Could you post your backtest 
system report?>   >   >>   
>   >>   >   
>>   >   > Rick>   
>   >>   >   > -----Original 
Message----->   >   > From: Ken Close 
[mailto:closeks@xxxx]>   >   > Sent: Tuesday, 
June 03, 2003 5:06 PM>   >   > To: 
amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>   >   > Subject: RE: 
[amibroker] Re: Fasttrack /TradeCode>   >   
>>   >   > Sam and others: I have uploaded 
the "Score" portion of theHeadsup>   >   > 
system into the Files area (actually the upload process 
looks>   "stuck">   >   > and 
may be because of my note about the Files area being full).>   
>   >>   >   > For the 
non-FastTrack users, the headsup code (which is>   implemented 
from>   >   > within the Trade program-an array 
processor used with FastTrack)>   is a>   
>   > comprehensive system that looks at and reports many 
statistics>   on funds>   >   
> (or stocks) to buy based on Rel Strength and a number of 
other>   factors,>   >   > 
including "Turtle" signals for buying, selling, and holding.>   
Additional>   >   > market statistics are also 
reported.  Many people follow this>   system 
and>   >   > do quite well.>   
>   >>   >   > The "Score" code 
which I am attempting to upload is just one>   part of 
the>   >   > system and the common usage is to 
buy stocks or funds when their>   >   > 
"Score", as reported by this code, is at "6" (1 to 6 scale).  
I>   did some>   >   > 
backtesting using the score as an oscillator and found 
itproduced>   >   > profitable results when 
buys were issued at low score values and>   
sell>   >   > signals issued at high score 
values, the opposite way the tool>   is 
used>   >   > within the common "Headsup" 
system.>   >   >>   
>   > Not selling this and I doubt almost any of you will look 
at it,>   but for>   >   > the 
few who do, the above is simply some background in order to>   
give you>   >   > some context of where the 
code came from.>   >   >>   
>   > Ken>   >   
>>   >   > PS: It looks like the AFL file 
was indeed uploaded and is listed>   under>   
>   > "Headsup Score".>   >   
>>   >   > -----Original 
Message----->   >   > From: Sam Levy 
[mailto:slevy1220@xxxx]>   >   > Sent: Tuesday, 
June 03, 2003 7:50 AM>   >   > To: 
amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>   >   > Subject: 
[amibroker] Re: Fasttrack /TradeCode>   >   
>>   >   > I would be very appreciative if 
you would post your"Headsup" code.>   >   > 
Many thanks.>   >   >>   
>   > Sam Levy>   >   
>>   >   > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, 
"Ken Close" <closeks@xxxx>wrote:>   >   
> > Frank:>   >   > 
>>   >   > > I have programmed the 
"Headsup" signal into Amibroker, at>   least 
the>   >   > > "Score" portion.  If 
this is what you mean by "FastTracksignals",>   
>   > then>   >   > > let me 
know and I will post it.  Otherwise, the 
phrase"FastTrack>   >   > > Signals" is 
so broad that you would need to be morespecific in>   
>   > order to>   >   > > 
get a meaningful reply.>   >   > 
>>   >   > > Ken>   
>   > >>   >   > 
>>   >   > > -----Original 
Message----->   >   > > From: frankphd_us 
[mailto:Dr-Frank@xxxx]>   >   > > Sent: 
Monday, June 02, 2003 2:17 PM>   >   > > To: 
amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>   >   > > 
Subject: [amibroker] Fasttrack /TradeCode>   >   
> >>   >   > > I noticed there are 
quite a couple of fasttrack users on this>   
board.>   >   > > Following CHasRichards and 
his signals sometime I thoughtabout>   >   
> using>   >   > > Fasttrack/Trade 
myself. Unfortunately I can only utiliseETFs and>   
>   > > Rydex/Profunds. This limitation (due to national tax 
reasons)>   makes>   >   > 
> the use of the comlete fasttrack-system and 
databaseuneconomical.>   >   > 
>>   >   > > Therefore I considered 
emulating the Fasttrack Signals with>   >   > 
Amibroker>   >   > > or excel. Anybody 
having done that before?? I only know of a>   >   
> > translation to wealthlab-code.>   >   
> >>   >   > > 
Thanx>   >   > >>   
>   > > frankphd_us>   >   > 
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