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[amibroker] Re: (More) Real World Trading (for epintoem)



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Normally there is a an inverse relationship between SP500 and bonds.
Gold and the Swiss Franc tend to move in the same direction. So also
the Euro.



--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Mr Valley" <valleymj@xxxx> wrote:
> What is the inverse correlation of SP500  vs. Swiss Franc ?
> Is it worth a look as a valid pair at times?
> 
> http://www.sharelynx.net/Markets/Charts/DigisysFut.htm
> 
> Just a Thought…
> Mr Valley
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: epintoem [mailto:epintoem@x...]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 7:45 PM
> To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [amibroker] Re: (More) Real World Trading (for epintoem)
> 
> I trade futures so I dont have the problem that you have for trading
> shorts. I do have a couple of ideas for trading shorts. I dont have
> any formula for correlating the stocks that need to be traded in pairs.
> 
> I use trend line breaks to trade shorts.
> 
> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Chuck Rademacher"
> <chuck_rademacher@x> wrote:
> > Average holding period for my typical trading is something like 20
days.
> >
> > There are all kinds of reasons for shorts not doing as well as longs.
> > Among the primary reasons is the fact that you can only make a 100% on
> > shorts and there is no limit on longs.   The up-tick rule is a
> nuisance and,
> > you are correct, the typical down move is quick compared to the more
> > trendier up move.
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: epintoem [mailto:epintoem@x...]
> >   Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 6:41 PM
> >   To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >   Subject: [amibroker] Re: (More) Real World Trading
> >
> >
> >   Chuck,
> >
> >   I can probably see why the shorts counldnt be working as well as the
> >   longs.
> >
> >   The nature of the market is to buy and hold. So the trend for the
> >   long tends to be longer than the trend for the shorts which to me
> >   would seem to be sharp and of a shorter duration. Shorts are traded
> >   mostly by short term traders.
> >
> >   What is the average holding term you are looking at?
> >
> >
> >   --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Chuck Rademacher"
> >   <chuck_rademacher@x> wrote:
> >   > You may recall that I have been making a concerted effort to
come up
> >   with
> >   > some system ideas using "pairs trading".   I don't know how
> >   successful any
> >   > of you have been at coming up with systems for shorting stocks,
> but I am
> >   > extremely frustrated by the need to maintain a dollar and/or beta
> >   neutral
> >   > portfolio in keeping with the rules of the funds that I
manage.  As
> >   a rule,
> >   > my short trades are lucky to break even.  Fortunately, my long
> >   trades are
> >   > quite profitable.
> >   >
> >   > I am going to put forth some ideas that should have been more
> >   obvious to me
> >   > some time ago and may already be obvious to you.   Like a lot of
> >   you, I have
> >   > what I think are excellent systems for trading the long side.  I
> >   also have
> >   > excellent systems for trading "pairs".   My pairs trading has
> been 100%
> >   > isolated from the other styles of trading that I do.
> >   >
> >   > My daily search for pairs to trade never really had a starting
point
> >   > (watchlist).   The system takes each of the currently active
stocks
> >   (8,000+)
> >   > and tries to find another stock to trade against it.   There
was no
> >   starting
> >   > bias.   The system looks for the most highly correlated pairs of
> >   stocks to
> >   > trade; one long and one short.
> >   >
> >   > Late yesterday, I had a thought come to me to take the just
the buy
> >   signals
> >   > generated by my best "long" system and only look for a pair to
trade
> >   against
> >   > each of those.  It's early days in the research, but it looks
> like an
> >   > exceptionally good idea.   Instead of making a mediocre 1.5 to 2%
> >   per month,
> >   > the research suggests almost doubling that return while still
> >   maintaining a
> >   > dollar, beta, sector and volatility neutral stance.
> >   >
> >   > Any comments would be appreciated and I'd be happy to work
> closely with
> >   > anyone interested in pursuing this endeavour.   AmiBroker is
> >   definitely the
> >   > tool of choice for this job, hence my posting to this group.
> >   >
> >   > Cheers
> >
> >
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