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1. You were right that you mentioned an intention to
extend toi ascii data reading capoabilities. I too
mantain a record of messages received and have no
problems in admitting my mistake.
2. Your product features indicate ability to read
ascii data. Further paid copies are supposed to
remember saved databes. Does the fine print say
databases saved till the point of last import? If so
pardon me for not reading it. If the databse is added
to AB isnt it supposed to be current everytime the
program is executed? Now where is the question of
asking for a free feature?
3. You are ranting TJ. Please note I have said a list
of desirable features for people that work like me.
Maybe I am the only one. If you dont find it
convenient, Simply say no! Why this never ending rant?
Trying to establish your credentials by vociferously
harping on one point? Dont bother, because for me this
entire communication is waste of time. I doubt whether
you are interested in a single customer only
especially someone who is not idolising you and calls
a spade a sapde.
Rakesh
--- Tomasz Janeczko <amibroker@xxxxxx> wrote:
> Dear Rakesh Sahgal,
>
> As far as the following part of your response is
> concerned:
>
> RS> -I dont need to know your costing structure. If
> you
> RS> are selling your product at the price you are
> selling
> RS> it at YOU ARE NOT DOING IT OUT OF ANY ALTRUISTIC
> RS> MOTIVES. You do so because you find it worth
> your
> RS> while and it makes BUSINESS SENSE to you. If it
> is not
> RS> PROFITABLE BUSINESS for you change your pricing.
> So
> RS> spare me your cost computations.
> RS>
> RS> I guess this is just another bloody write off
> insofar
> RS> as I am concerned.
>
> I would like to remind you that you wrote before:
>
> RS> I get hourly data from a local vendor in India.
> RS> I had approached TJ
> RS> with this problem - his response was "Import
> means one
> RS> time import" and a direction to some programming
> RS> exercise one would have to conduct to create a
> plug-in to do the needful.
> RS> The implication of it to my mind -either do it
> yourself or live with the nuisance.
> RS> Hardly the kind of response one would expect
> from
> RS> "THE MOST CUSTOMER FRIENDLY" software developer
> or
> RS> maybe he doesnt want non-programmers as his
> clients.
>
> I have read it so that you in fact would like me to
> write for free a dedicated plugin
> for your local vendor in India. (At least this is
> how I understand this part of your post).
> Therefore I reminded you that I already gave you a
> sample code of ASCII
> plugin that would require some adaptation to read
> your data.
> I also wrote that I can not afford writing the
> dedicated plugin JUST FOR YOU
> because of costs involved in the process.
> I followed with the estimate of costs:
>
> TJ> I will give you some guidance too: from 1-2 days
> TJ> (very simple EOD plugins) upto one month
> TJ> (real time plugins). So the cost of programming
> such
> TJ> thing starts from 1..2 * 8h * $60 = $480...$960
> TJ> and ends at $14'000.
>
> I hoped that you acknowleadge the fact that it would
> me too expensive
> to write dedicated plugin for you.
>
> (The support package does not include custom
> programming
> http://www.amibroker.com/freesupport.html)
>
> Best regards,
> Tomasz Janeczko
> amibroker.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rakesh Sahgal" <rakeshsahgal@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 6:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [amibroker] 10 uses for the #Include
>
>
> > Your petulant response is hardly the way
> businesses
> > deal with customers. As to your various
> contentions:
> >
> > -You did not give any response or indication of
> your
> > willingness to enhance ascii reading capabilities
> of
> > AB. Any statement to the contrary is a LIE.
> >
> > -I have not asked you to write any formulae for
> me. I
> > had problems with AFL and sought the help of the
> users
> > via the board. Show me one instance where I have
> asked
> > you to do any code writing for me.
> >
> > -I have said certain features would be ideal for
> > people like me. To incorporate them or not is your
> > privelege as the developer and owner of the
> product.
> > You can simply say it is not convenient for you to
> do
> > so. Where is the need to fly off the handle?
> >
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Rakesh
> > --- Tomasz Janeczko <amibroker@xxxxxx> wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > > Insofar as ascii data is concerned I get
> hourly
> > > data
> > > > from a local vendor in India. I had approached
> TJ
> > > with
> > > > this problem - his response was "Import means
> one
> > > > time import" and a direction to some
> programming
> > > > exercise one would have to conduct to create a
> > > plug-in
> > > > to do the needful. The implication of it to my
> > > mind
> > > > -either do it yourself or live with the
> nuisance.
> > > > Hardly the kind of response one would expect
> from
> > > "THE
> > > > MOST CUSTOMER FRIENDLY" software developer or
> > > maybe he
> > > > doesnt want non-programmers as his clients.
> > >
> > > The truth is that I directed you to the sample
> code
> > > of ASCII
> > > plugin that is included in the ADK (AmiBroker
> > > developer kit).
> > >
> > > A sample code would requires some tweaking for
> your
> > > particular data format but this is relatively
> easy.
> > >
> > > If you are not a programmer you may ask the
> beginner
> > > adept
> > > of C++ to make some modifications for you.
> > >
> > > As far as I remember I also wrote that I will
> expand
> > > the sample
> > > or provide pre-built plugin some day.
> > >
> > > I think it is much better answer that you could
> get
> > > from other vendors.
> > >
> > > > As for TimeFrame.dll - This was something a
> user
> > > was
> > > > kind enough to pass on to the group. It is not
> a
> > > > standard feature in the software and requires
> some
> > > > level of programming competence to understand
> how
> > > to
> > > > get it working.
> > >
> > > Hmm... everything requires some level of
> competence.
> > > And... does the fact that the dll was kindly
> > > provided by Stephane Carrasset
> > > change anything ? Does it matter which hands
> wrote
> > > it ?
> > > I think it is great that we have some 3rd party
> > > plugins and
> > > I see no problem in using them.
> > >
> > >
> > > > My problem is I am programming challenged. I
> am a
> > > > trader and dont think I have the mind set
> required
> > > to
> > > > be a programmer.
> > >
> > > How about paying the programmer to code for you?
> > >
> > > > I am sure even if a few, there will
> > > > be some people like me using AB. It will be
> nice
> > > for
> > > > us to know if TJ wishes to make his product
> such,
> > > that
> > > > non-programmers can use it with ease in an
> > > efficacious
> > > > manner. In this context his silence is
> > > particularly
> > > > deafening.
> > >
> > > Do you expect me to write codes / formulas for
> > > everyone who
> > > can not program ?
> > >
> > > Do you know what is the average fee for custom
> > > programming ?
> > > I will give you some guidance. Equis for example
> > > charges (as far as I know)
> > > $60 per hour of custom formula programming. C++
> > > programming is more expensive.
> > >
> > > Do you know how much time is required to code
> the
> > > data plugin?
> > >
> > > I will give you some guidance too: from 1-2 days
> > > (very simple EOD plugins) upto one month
> > > (real time plugins). So the cost of programming
> such
> > > thing starts from 1..2 * 8h * $60 = $480...$960
> > > and ends at $14'000.
> > >
> > > This is one of the reasons why I simply can not
> > > afford writing dedicated plugin for
> > > one person who does not know programming.
> > >
> > > I can implement "inside free upgrade/support"
> such
> > > things only if
> > > - there is significant number of already
> registered
> > > users who would use it (absolute minimum 20
> people)
> > > or
> > > - given feature would bring significant number
> of
> > > new registrations (again 20 people minimum)
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Tomasz Janeczko
> > > amibroker.com
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rakesh Sahgal" <rakeshsahgal@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [amibroker] 10 uses for the
> #Include
> > >
> > >
> > > > Jayson,
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > My problem is I am programming challenged. I
> am a
> > > > trader and dont think I have the mind set
> required
> > > to
> > > > be a programmer. I am sure even if a few,
> there
> > > will
> > > > be some people like me using AB. It will be
> nice
> > > for
> > > > us to know if TJ wishes to make his product
> such,
> > > that
> > > > non-programmers can use it with ease in an
> > > efficacious
> > > > manner. In this context his silence is
> > > particularly
> > > > deafening.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Rakesh
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Jayson <jcasavant@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > Rakesh,
> > > > >
> > > > > see below......
> > > > >
> > > > > Jayson
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Rakesh Sahgal
> > > [mailto:rakeshsahgal@xxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 1:28 AM
> > > > > To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: RE: [amibroker] 10 uses for the
> > > #Include
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Arthur,
> > > > >
> > > > > The last line of your communication sums up
> the
> > > AB
> > > > > group i.e people with programming
> inclinations
> > > > > wanting
> > > > > ever increasing sophistication.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some things that I for instance would like
> to
> > > see
> > > > > are
> > > > > multple time frame analysis,
> > > > >
> > > > > See the time frame DLL in the 3rd party
> section
> > > of
> > > > > the AB web site
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > making trendline studies
> > > > > etc live i.e. enabling setting of alarms on
> > > them,
> > > > >
> > > > > That is currently available... I just posted
> the
> > > > > code 2 days ago in response
> > > > > to some one asking questions about alertIf.
> I
> > > use
> > > > > audible alarms every day.
> > > > > the code I posted allows for 3 different
> trend
> > > lines
> > > > > to trigger an alarm for
> > > > > crosses in either direction.......
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > making the data sources plugins more
> > > comprehensive(I
> > > > > for one find importing ascii data every time
> a
> > > new
> > > > > bar
> > > > > is added to the database very irritating).
> This
> > > is
> > > > > just some loud thinking on my part. If other
> > > > > discretionary traders would chip in with
> their
> > > > > thoughts it would be very helpful.
> > > > >
> > > > > This depends on your data source. QP and
> TC2000
> > > > > databases currently are read
> > > > > directly via their respective plug ins. I
> > > believe
> > > > > this is also now possible
> > > > > with mytrack. If you are talking about free
> data
> > > > > from Yahoo or MSN then this
> > > > > data can be automatically updated via
> > > > > amiquote.......
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Also perhaps TJ
> > > > > would like to share his views on whether he
> > > intends
> > > > > to
> > > > > address the concerns/requiremetns of people
> like
> > > me
> > > > > as
> > > > > well or not and where do these concerns
> stand in
> > > his
> > > > > scheme of things?
> > > > >
> > > > > Insofar as the vociferous system guys are
> > > concerned
> > > > > allow me to say this, it is not my intention
> to
> > > pick
> > > > > up a fight with this post. If you dont like
> any
> > > part
> > > > > of the message you know where the delete key
> is.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Rakesh
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Arthur Sawilejskij
> <arthur@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > > At 05:49 PM 26/04/2003 +1000, you wrote:
> > > > > :
> > > > > >Herman, where are you that places you in
> time
> > > about
> > > > > 12 hours ahead ofthe
> > > > > >east coast of Australia?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >It's not often I see posts dated before
> > > Australia's
> > > > > time zone, mostplaces
> > > > > >are behind us.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Curiously,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Mark
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Mark,
> > > > >
> > > > > What have you been up to the last 2 weeks?
> > > > >
> > > > > How was your Easter?
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been busy gearing up to start day
> trading
> > > with
> > > > > DFF.
> > > > >
> > > > > This has meant expanding my watchlist from
> 20
> > > odd
> > > > > stock to the top 200 -over the next few
> weeks
> > > some
> > > > > of
> > > > > those will get cut for various reasons
> -probably
> > > > > mainly liquidity or lack of volatility.
> > > > >
> > > > > I should get my account active on Monday -
> I've
> > > been
> > > > > paper trading daytrades the last few weeks -
> had
> > > > > some
> > > > > good winners and some losers. Thething is to
> cut
> > > the
> > > > > losses as quickly as possible - and let the
> > > > > profitsrun
> > > > > - banks have been good the last two weeks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Taken a lot of work to get up to speed - I
> use a
> > > > > card
> > > > > system and diary torecord stuff for
> companies.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sure, I base my trade on TA - but also can't
> > > ignore
> > > > > some of the news andfundamentals out there
> to
> > > > > confirm
> > > > > the moves.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, what, if anything, have you been up to
> the
> > > last
> > > > > two weeks tradingwise?
> > > > >
> > > > > Hasn't AB turned into a bit of a bun fight,
> eh -
> > > > > they
> > > > > seem to have lostall focus - it's more of a
> > > > > programming group now rather than a group
> > > oftraders
> > > > > using a common software.
> > > > >
> > > > > Arthur
> > > > >
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