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Dear Rakesh Sahgal,
As far as the following part of your response is concerned:
RS> -I dont need to know your costing structure. If you
RS> are selling your product at the price you are selling
RS> it at YOU ARE NOT DOING IT OUT OF ANY ALTRUISTIC
RS> MOTIVES. You do so because you find it worth your
RS> while and it makes BUSINESS SENSE to you. If it is not
RS> PROFITABLE BUSINESS for you change your pricing. So
RS> spare me your cost computations.
RS>
RS> I guess this is just another bloody write off insofar
RS> as I am concerned.
I would like to remind you that you wrote before:
RS> I get hourly data from a local vendor in India.
RS> I had approached TJ
RS> with this problem - his response was "Import means one
RS> time import" and a direction to some programming
RS> exercise one would have to conduct to create a plug-in to do the needful.
RS> The implication of it to my mind -either do it yourself or live with the nuisance.
RS> Hardly the kind of response one would expect from
RS> "THE MOST CUSTOMER FRIENDLY" software developer or
RS> maybe he doesnt want non-programmers as his clients.
I have read it so that you in fact would like me to write for free a dedicated plugin
for your local vendor in India. (At least this is how I understand this part of your post).
Therefore I reminded you that I already gave you a sample code of ASCII
plugin that would require some adaptation to read your data.
I also wrote that I can not afford writing the dedicated plugin JUST FOR YOU
because of costs involved in the process.
I followed with the estimate of costs:
TJ> I will give you some guidance too: from 1-2 days
TJ> (very simple EOD plugins) upto one month
TJ> (real time plugins). So the cost of programming such
TJ> thing starts from 1..2 * 8h * $60 = $480...$960
TJ> and ends at $14'000.
I hoped that you acknowleadge the fact that it would me too expensive
to write dedicated plugin for you.
(The support package does not include custom programming
http://www.amibroker.com/freesupport.html)
Best regards,
Tomasz Janeczko
amibroker.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rakesh Sahgal" <rakeshsahgal@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [amibroker] 10 uses for the #Include
> Your petulant response is hardly the way businesses
> deal with customers. As to your various contentions:
>
> -You did not give any response or indication of your
> willingness to enhance ascii reading capabilities of
> AB. Any statement to the contrary is a LIE.
>
> -I have not asked you to write any formulae for me. I
> had problems with AFL and sought the help of the users
> via the board. Show me one instance where I have asked
> you to do any code writing for me.
>
> -I have said certain features would be ideal for
> people like me. To incorporate them or not is your
> privelege as the developer and owner of the product.
> You can simply say it is not convenient for you to do
> so. Where is the need to fly off the handle?
>
>
>
>
> Rakesh
> --- Tomasz Janeczko <amibroker@xxxxxx> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > > Insofar as ascii data is concerned I get hourly
> > data
> > > from a local vendor in India. I had approached TJ
> > with
> > > this problem - his response was "Import means one
> > > time import" and a direction to some programming
> > > exercise one would have to conduct to create a
> > plug-in
> > > to do the needful. The implication of it to my
> > mind
> > > -either do it yourself or live with the nuisance.
> > > Hardly the kind of response one would expect from
> > "THE
> > > MOST CUSTOMER FRIENDLY" software developer or
> > maybe he
> > > doesnt want non-programmers as his clients.
> >
> > The truth is that I directed you to the sample code
> > of ASCII
> > plugin that is included in the ADK (AmiBroker
> > developer kit).
> >
> > A sample code would requires some tweaking for your
> > particular data format but this is relatively easy.
> >
> > If you are not a programmer you may ask the beginner
> > adept
> > of C++ to make some modifications for you.
> >
> > As far as I remember I also wrote that I will expand
> > the sample
> > or provide pre-built plugin some day.
> >
> > I think it is much better answer that you could get
> > from other vendors.
> >
> > > As for TimeFrame.dll - This was something a user
> > was
> > > kind enough to pass on to the group. It is not a
> > > standard feature in the software and requires some
> > > level of programming competence to understand how
> > to
> > > get it working.
> >
> > Hmm... everything requires some level of competence.
> > And... does the fact that the dll was kindly
> > provided by Stephane Carrasset
> > change anything ? Does it matter which hands wrote
> > it ?
> > I think it is great that we have some 3rd party
> > plugins and
> > I see no problem in using them.
> >
> >
> > > My problem is I am programming challenged. I am a
> > > trader and dont think I have the mind set required
> > to
> > > be a programmer.
> >
> > How about paying the programmer to code for you?
> >
> > > I am sure even if a few, there will
> > > be some people like me using AB. It will be nice
> > for
> > > us to know if TJ wishes to make his product such,
> > that
> > > non-programmers can use it with ease in an
> > efficacious
> > > manner. In this context his silence is
> > particularly
> > > deafening.
> >
> > Do you expect me to write codes / formulas for
> > everyone who
> > can not program ?
> >
> > Do you know what is the average fee for custom
> > programming ?
> > I will give you some guidance. Equis for example
> > charges (as far as I know)
> > $60 per hour of custom formula programming. C++
> > programming is more expensive.
> >
> > Do you know how much time is required to code the
> > data plugin?
> >
> > I will give you some guidance too: from 1-2 days
> > (very simple EOD plugins) upto one month
> > (real time plugins). So the cost of programming such
> > thing starts from 1..2 * 8h * $60 = $480...$960
> > and ends at $14'000.
> >
> > This is one of the reasons why I simply can not
> > afford writing dedicated plugin for
> > one person who does not know programming.
> >
> > I can implement "inside free upgrade/support" such
> > things only if
> > - there is significant number of already registered
> > users who would use it (absolute minimum 20 people)
> > or
> > - given feature would bring significant number of
> > new registrations (again 20 people minimum)
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Tomasz Janeczko
> > amibroker.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rakesh Sahgal" <rakeshsahgal@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 5:39 PM
> > Subject: RE: [amibroker] 10 uses for the #Include
> >
> >
> > > Jayson,
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> > > My problem is I am programming challenged. I am a
> > > trader and dont think I have the mind set required
> > to
> > > be a programmer. I am sure even if a few, there
> > will
> > > be some people like me using AB. It will be nice
> > for
> > > us to know if TJ wishes to make his product such,
> > that
> > > non-programmers can use it with ease in an
> > efficacious
> > > manner. In this context his silence is
> > particularly
> > > deafening.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Rakesh
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Jayson <jcasavant@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > Rakesh,
> > > >
> > > > see below......
> > > >
> > > > Jayson
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rakesh Sahgal
> > [mailto:rakeshsahgal@xxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 1:28 AM
> > > > To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: RE: [amibroker] 10 uses for the
> > #Include
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Arthur,
> > > >
> > > > The last line of your communication sums up the
> > AB
> > > > group i.e people with programming inclinations
> > > > wanting
> > > > ever increasing sophistication.
> > > >
> > > > Some things that I for instance would like to
> > see
> > > > are
> > > > multple time frame analysis,
> > > >
> > > > See the time frame DLL in the 3rd party section
> > of
> > > > the AB web site
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > making trendline studies
> > > > etc live i.e. enabling setting of alarms on
> > them,
> > > >
> > > > That is currently available... I just posted the
> > > > code 2 days ago in response
> > > > to some one asking questions about alertIf. I
> > use
> > > > audible alarms every day.
> > > > the code I posted allows for 3 different trend
> > lines
> > > > to trigger an alarm for
> > > > crosses in either direction.......
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > making the data sources plugins more
> > comprehensive(I
> > > > for one find importing ascii data every time a
> > new
> > > > bar
> > > > is added to the database very irritating). This
> > is
> > > > just some loud thinking on my part. If other
> > > > discretionary traders would chip in with their
> > > > thoughts it would be very helpful.
> > > >
> > > > This depends on your data source. QP and TC2000
> > > > databases currently are read
> > > > directly via their respective plug ins. I
> > believe
> > > > this is also now possible
> > > > with mytrack. If you are talking about free data
> > > > from Yahoo or MSN then this
> > > > data can be automatically updated via
> > > > amiquote.......
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Also perhaps TJ
> > > > would like to share his views on whether he
> > intends
> > > > to
> > > > address the concerns/requiremetns of people like
> > me
> > > > as
> > > > well or not and where do these concerns stand in
> > his
> > > > scheme of things?
> > > >
> > > > Insofar as the vociferous system guys are
> > concerned
> > > > allow me to say this, it is not my intention to
> > pick
> > > > up a fight with this post. If you dont like any
> > part
> > > > of the message you know where the delete key is.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Rakesh
> > > >
> > > > --- Arthur Sawilejskij <arthur@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > At 05:49 PM 26/04/2003 +1000, you wrote:
> > > > :
> > > > >Herman, where are you that places you in time
> > about
> > > > 12 hours ahead ofthe
> > > > >east coast of Australia?
> > > > >
> > > > >It's not often I see posts dated before
> > Australia's
> > > > time zone, mostplaces
> > > > >are behind us.
> > > > >
> > > > >Curiously,
> > > > >
> > > > >Mark
> > > >
> > > > Hi Mark,
> > > >
> > > > What have you been up to the last 2 weeks?
> > > >
> > > > How was your Easter?
> > > >
> > > > I've been busy gearing up to start day trading
> > with
> > > > DFF.
> > > >
> > > > This has meant expanding my watchlist from 20
> > odd
> > > > stock to the top 200 -over the next few weeks
> > some
> > > > of
> > > > those will get cut for various reasons -probably
> > > > mainly liquidity or lack of volatility.
> > > >
> > > > I should get my account active on Monday - I've
> > been
> > > > paper trading daytrades the last few weeks - had
> > > > some
> > > > good winners and some losers. Thething is to cut
> > the
> > > > losses as quickly as possible - and let the
> > > > profitsrun
> > > > - banks have been good the last two weeks.
> > > >
> > > > Taken a lot of work to get up to speed - I use a
> > > > card
> > > > system and diary torecord stuff for companies.
> > > >
> > > > Sure, I base my trade on TA - but also can't
> > ignore
> > > > some of the news andfundamentals out there to
> > > > confirm
> > > > the moves.
> > > >
> > > > So, what, if anything, have you been up to the
> > last
> > > > two weeks tradingwise?
> > > >
> > > > Hasn't AB turned into a bit of a bun fight, eh -
> > > > they
> > > > seem to have lostall focus - it's more of a
> > > > programming group now rather than a group
> > oftraders
> > > > using a common software.
> > > >
> > > > Arthur
> > > >
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