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Rakesh,
As I am sure you've noted if you aren't blocking email coming from me
that from time to time I ask questions about things and get responses
that at the time I think inapppropriate which has a tendancy to then
turn into heated discussions about the vocabulary and phraseology as
opposed to addressing the issues. This has made me somewhat of a
black sheep here even though my interests really have been to
understand and help move the product ahead in areas that I think are
important, not only to me but to others as well although I hardly
pretend to have the large view of what the user community as a whole
wants.
This may or may not pacify you for the moment but I would suggest to
you that although the language of the board is English that there are
still some barriers as folks come from a wide variety of geographical
locations some of which where English is not the native language and
even when it is there are subtle differences between how one locale
uses it then another. I will tell you however that from my
perspective that TJ does strive to have a good product, listens to
what his users ask for and does incorporate much of what he hears
into the product, in most cases a lot sooner then other vendors would.
Fred
--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Rakesh Sahgal <rakeshsahgal@xxxx>
wrote:
> Your petulant response is hardly the way businesses
> deal with customers. As to your various contentions:
>
> -You did not give any response or indication of your
> willingness to enhance ascii reading capabilities of
> AB. Any statement to the contrary is a LIE.
>
> -I have not asked you to write any formulae for me. I
> had problems with AFL and sought the help of the users
> via the board. Show me one instance where I have asked
> you to do any code writing for me.
>
> -I have said certain features would be ideal for
> people like me. To incorporate them or not is your
> privelege as the developer and owner of the product.
> You can simply say it is not convenient for you to do
> so. Where is the need to fly off the handle?
>
> -I dont need to know your costing structure. If you
> are selling your product at the price you are selling
> it at YOU ARE NOT DOING IT OUT OF ANY ALTRUISTIC
> MOTIVES. You do so because you find it worth your
> while and it makes BUSINESS SENSE to you. If it is not
> PROFITABLE BUSINESS for you change your pricing. So
> spare me your cost computations.
>
> I guess this is just another bloody write off insofar
> as I am concerned.
>
>
>
> Rakesh
> --- Tomasz Janeczko <amibroker@xxxx> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > > Insofar as ascii data is concerned I get hourly
> > data
> > > from a local vendor in India. I had approached TJ
> > with
> > > this problem - his response was "Import means one
> > > time import" and a direction to some programming
> > > exercise one would have to conduct to create a
> > plug-in
> > > to do the needful. The implication of it to my
> > mind
> > > -either do it yourself or live with the nuisance.
> > > Hardly the kind of response one would expect from
> > "THE
> > > MOST CUSTOMER FRIENDLY" software developer or
> > maybe he
> > > doesnt want non-programmers as his clients.
> >
> > The truth is that I directed you to the sample code
> > of ASCII
> > plugin that is included in the ADK (AmiBroker
> > developer kit).
> >
> > A sample code would requires some tweaking for your
> > particular data format but this is relatively easy.
> >
> > If you are not a programmer you may ask the beginner
> > adept
> > of C++ to make some modifications for you.
> >
> > As far as I remember I also wrote that I will expand
> > the sample
> > or provide pre-built plugin some day.
> >
> > I think it is much better answer that you could get
> > from other vendors.
> >
> > > As for TimeFrame.dll - This was something a user
> > was
> > > kind enough to pass on to the group. It is not a
> > > standard feature in the software and requires some
> > > level of programming competence to understand how
> > to
> > > get it working.
> >
> > Hmm... everything requires some level of competence.
> > And... does the fact that the dll was kindly
> > provided by Stephane Carrasset
> > change anything ? Does it matter which hands wrote
> > it ?
> > I think it is great that we have some 3rd party
> > plugins and
> > I see no problem in using them.
> >
> >
> > > My problem is I am programming challenged. I am a
> > > trader and dont think I have the mind set required
> > to
> > > be a programmer.
> >
> > How about paying the programmer to code for you?
> >
> > > I am sure even if a few, there will
> > > be some people like me using AB. It will be nice
> > for
> > > us to know if TJ wishes to make his product such,
> > that
> > > non-programmers can use it with ease in an
> > efficacious
> > > manner. In this context his silence is
> > particularly
> > > deafening.
> >
> > Do you expect me to write codes / formulas for
> > everyone who
> > can not program ?
> >
> > Do you know what is the average fee for custom
> > programming ?
> > I will give you some guidance. Equis for example
> > charges (as far as I know)
> > $60 per hour of custom formula programming. C++
> > programming is more expensive.
> >
> > Do you know how much time is required to code the
> > data plugin?
> >
> > I will give you some guidance too: from 1-2 days
> > (very simple EOD plugins) upto one month
> > (real time plugins). So the cost of programming such
> > thing starts from 1..2 * 8h * $60 = $480...$960
> > and ends at $14'000.
> >
> > This is one of the reasons why I simply can not
> > afford writing dedicated plugin for
> > one person who does not know programming.
> >
> > I can implement "inside free upgrade/support" such
> > things only if
> > - there is significant number of already registered
> > users who would use it (absolute minimum 20 people)
> > or
> > - given feature would bring significant number of
> > new registrations (again 20 people minimum)
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Tomasz Janeczko
> > amibroker.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rakesh Sahgal" <rakeshsahgal@xxxx>
> > To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 5:39 PM
> > Subject: RE: [amibroker] 10 uses for the #Include
> >
> >
> > > Jayson,
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> > > My problem is I am programming challenged. I am a
> > > trader and dont think I have the mind set required
> > to
> > > be a programmer. I am sure even if a few, there
> > will
> > > be some people like me using AB. It will be nice
> > for
> > > us to know if TJ wishes to make his product such,
> > that
> > > non-programmers can use it with ease in an
> > efficacious
> > > manner. In this context his silence is
> > particularly
> > > deafening.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Rakesh
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Jayson <jcasavant@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > Rakesh,
> > > >
> > > > see below......
> > > >
> > > > Jayson
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rakesh Sahgal
> > [mailto:rakeshsahgal@x...]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 1:28 AM
> > > > To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: RE: [amibroker] 10 uses for the
> > #Include
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Arthur,
> > > >
> > > > The last line of your communication sums up the
> > AB
> > > > group i.e people with programming inclinations
> > > > wanting
> > > > ever increasing sophistication.
> > > >
> > > > Some things that I for instance would like to
> > see
> > > > are
> > > > multple time frame analysis,
> > > >
> > > > See the time frame DLL in the 3rd party section
> > of
> > > > the AB web site
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > making trendline studies
> > > > etc live i.e. enabling setting of alarms on
> > them,
> > > >
> > > > That is currently available... I just posted the
> > > > code 2 days ago in response
> > > > to some one asking questions about alertIf. I
> > use
> > > > audible alarms every day.
> > > > the code I posted allows for 3 different trend
> > lines
> > > > to trigger an alarm for
> > > > crosses in either direction.......
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > making the data sources plugins more
> > comprehensive(I
> > > > for one find importing ascii data every time a
> > new
> > > > bar
> > > > is added to the database very irritating). This
> > is
> > > > just some loud thinking on my part. If other
> > > > discretionary traders would chip in with their
> > > > thoughts it would be very helpful.
> > > >
> > > > This depends on your data source. QP and TC2000
> > > > databases currently are read
> > > > directly via their respective plug ins. I
> > believe
> > > > this is also now possible
> > > > with mytrack. If you are talking about free data
> > > > from Yahoo or MSN then this
> > > > data can be automatically updated via
> > > > amiquote.......
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Also perhaps TJ
> > > > would like to share his views on whether he
> > intends
> > > > to
> > > > address the concerns/requiremetns of people like
> > me
> > > > as
> > > > well or not and where do these concerns stand in
> > his
> > > > scheme of things?
> > > >
> > > > Insofar as the vociferous system guys are
> > concerned
> > > > allow me to say this, it is not my intention to
> > pick
> > > > up a fight with this post. If you dont like any
> > part
> > > > of the message you know where the delete key is.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Rakesh
> > > >
> > > > --- Arthur Sawilejskij <arthur@xxxx>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > At 05:49 PM 26/04/2003 +1000, you wrote:
> > > > :
> > > > >Herman, where are you that places you in time
> > about
> > > > 12 hours ahead ofthe
> > > > >east coast of Australia?
> > > > >
> > > > >It's not often I see posts dated before
> > Australia's
> > > > time zone, mostplaces
> > > > >are behind us.
> > > > >
> > > > >Curiously,
> > > > >
> > > > >Mark
> > > >
> > > > Hi Mark,
> > > >
> > > > What have you been up to the last 2 weeks?
> > > >
> > > > How was your Easter?
> > > >
> > > > I've been busy gearing up to start day trading
> > with
> > > > DFF.
> > > >
> > > > This has meant expanding my watchlist from 20
> > odd
> > > > stock to the top 200 -over the next few weeks
> > some
> > > > of
> > > > those will get cut for various reasons -probably
> > > > mainly liquidity or lack of volatility.
> > > >
> > > > I should get my account active on Monday - I've
> > been
> > > > paper trading daytrades the last few weeks - had
> > > > some
> > > > good winners and some losers. Thething is to cut
> > the
> > > > losses as quickly as possible - and let the
> > > > profitsrun
> > > > - banks have been good the last two weeks.
> > > >
> > > > Taken a lot of work to get up to speed - I use a
> > > > card
> > > > system and diary torecord stuff for companies.
> > > >
> > > > Sure, I base my trade on TA - but also can't
> > ignore
> > > > some of the news andfundamentals out there to
> > > > confirm
> > > > the moves.
> > > >
> > > > So, what, if anything, have you been up to the
> > last
> > > > two weeks tradingwise?
> > > >
> > > > Hasn't AB turned into a bit of a bun fight, eh -
> > > > they
> > > > seem to have lostall focus - it's more of a
> > > > programming group now rather than a group
> > oftraders
> > > > using a common software.
> > > >
> > > > Arthur
> > > >
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