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RE: [amibroker] Re: Monte Carlo Simulation - MCS



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G'day, 
Phst...
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I'm 
happy to see that someone saw my email regarding Monte Carlo Simulation and 
TradeSim.
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Your 
question is a good one, perhaps because the importing functionality of 
TradeSim isn't mentioned on their web site.  I haven't looked at the 
site in a long time and don't know if it is mentioned or 
not.
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To 
finally get to the answer to your question... 
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size=2>1.  You do not need to have MetaStock in order to use 
TradeSim.   In fact, using MetaStock becomes more compicated if you do 
try to use TradeSim with MetaStock.
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size=2>2.  You can use the output from AB's backtest function.   
However, the data needs a bit of rework.   The format of the input to 
TradeSim is clearly defined and very specific.   I wrote a program in 
Delphi, that I'm happy to give away, that will read the output from AB and 
prepare a new file for importing to 
TradeSim.   
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  size=2>-----Original Message-----From: phsst 
  [mailto:phsst@xxxxxxxxx]Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 11:51 
  AMTo: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: [amibroker] Re: 
  Monte Carlo Simulation - MCSChuck,I looked at 
  the TradeSim Slide Show. The interface seems to requireMetastock for data 
  and indicator plug-in. So how is the AB backtestexport file interfaced 
  into TradeSim? And does it work without 
  Metastock?Regards,Phsst--- In 
  amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Chuck Rademacher"<chuck_rademacher@x> 
  wrote:> If anyone is interested in Monte Carlo Simulation, it is 
  possible totake> the backtest output from AB into something called 
  TradeSim whichwill give> you 1,001 reports including a very 
  high-powered MCS capability.   Iprobably> do 20 to 30 MCS 
  runs a day using TradeSim with AB exported data.> > TradeSim is 
  available from:  <A 
  href="">http://www.compuvision.com.au> 
  > >   -----Original Message----->   
  From: markf2 [mailto:feierstein@xxxx]>   Sent: Thursday, 
  April 17, 2003 10:55 PM>   To: 
  amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>   Subject: [amibroker] Re: The 
  request for "variable" period functions> > >   
  And as for MCS, it stands for Monte Carlo Simulation.  MCS can 
  give>   you a distribution of potential future outcomes if 
  the inputs are>   representative of how the system will 
  perform in the future.  In broad>   terms, if the basket 
  of trades from your system test is representative>   of the 
  system's population of future trades, MCS can calculate a>   
  distribution of drawdowns and profits based on 10,000 (or however 
  many>   you want) different equity curves simulated from that 
  basket of trades>   given your money management 
  parameters.  From that you can estimate>   the 
  probabilities of different profit/loss levels.  You can also 
  do>   this for groups of stocks to make portfolio drawdown 
  and profit/loss>   distributions.  This is more 
  "forward-looking" and multidimensional>   than portfolio 
  backtesting and pyramiding on historical quotes.> >   
  --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Fred" <fctonetti@xxxx> 
  wrote:>   > The AMA or AMA2 .vs. EMA will give you a 
  simple view of the>   > differences in 
  potential.>   >>   > --- In 
  amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Al Venosa" <advenosa@xxxx> 
  wrote:>   > > Well, Mark, I have to admit I know 
  nothing about adaptive>   > indicators, so obviously I 
  haven't ever tested them. In fact, Idon't>   > even 
  know what an MCS is (I hate acronyms, and I've worked for 
  the>   > Government all my life!!)! I have tested various 
  position sizing>   > algorithms, as I'm a firm believer in 
  position sizing as a means of>   > controlling risk. All I 
  know is that portfolio backtesting and>   > pyramiding are 
  tops on my wish list and have been ever since Ibought>   
  > AB back in Nov of 2001, and judging from many posts in the far 
  and>   > near past, I think there are lots of others who 
  are anxiously>   > awaiting this feature, too. Since the 
  topic of adaptive indicators>   > was only introduced for 
  the first time yesterday, I believe, I was>   > just 
  thinking that perhaps it hasn't been a top priority on 
  many>   > people's wish lists. I will gladly concede to 
  you and others if I'm>   > wrong, since I still consider 
  myself a rank beginner in AFL as well>   > as trading in 
  general. Tell me more about adaptive indicators and>   > 
  what their advantages are over static ones. Maybe give 
  someexamples?>   > Thanks.>   > 
  >>   > > Al Venosa>   > 
  >   ----- Original Message ----->   > 
  >   From: markf2>   > >   To: 
  amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>   > >   Sent: 
  Thursday, April 17, 2003 9:50 PM>   > >   
  Subject: [amibroker] Re: The request for "variable" period>   
  > functions>   > >>   > 
  >>   > >   Really?  Have you done 
  much testing with adaptive indicators?>   > 
  Have>   > >   you ever tried position sizing 
  with MCS (which is much more>   > 
  powerful>   > >   and 
  versatile)?>   > >>   > 
  >   --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Al Venosa" 
  <advenosa@xxxx>>   > wrote:>   > 
  >   > I wholeheartedly agree with Jerome. Portfolio 
  backtesting and>   > >   pyramiding, in my 
  opinion, are much more important that>   > 
  introducing>   > >   more indicators, dynamic 
  or not. I sure hope this new task, if>   > 
  >   adopted, does not distract or slow down Tomasz from 
  developing>   > what I>   > 
  >   think lots more people wish to have as part of the AB engine. 
  My>   > >   opinion, 
  FWIW.>   > >   >>   > 
  >   > Al Venosa>   > >   
  >>   > >   >   ----- Original 
  Message ----->   > >   >   From: 
  Silvarius>   > >   >   To: 
  amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>   > >   
  >   Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 4:12 PM>   
  > >   >   Subject: RE: [amibroker] The request 
  for "variable" period>   > functions>   
  > >   >>   > >   
  >>   > >   >   I second 
  Dimitris in his Opinion. Portfolio backtesting>   > 
  >   enhancement is much more critical IMHO.>   
  > >   >>   > >   
  >   Best regards, Jérôme ULRICH>   > 
  >   >     -----Message 
  d'origine----->   > >   
  >     De : DIMITRIS TSOKAKIS 
  [mailto:TSOKAKIS@xxxx]>   > >   
  >     Envoyé : jeudi 17 avril 2003 
  21:41>   > >   >     À 
  : amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>   > >   
  >     Objet : [amibroker] The request for "variable" 
  period>   > functions>   > 
  >   >>   > >   
  >>   > >   >     
  Everybody asks for variable period possibilities, asif 
  AFL>   > is poor>   > >   
  >     in this logic.>   > 
  >   >     Let us take a closer look 
  :>   > >   >     
  Variable Period smoothing functions:>   > >   
  >     MA, DEMA, TEMA do accept variable 
  period.>   > >   >     
  The remaining EMA can accept through EMA(ARRAY,PER)==AMA>   
  > (ARRAY,2/>   > >   
  >     (PER+1))>   > 
  >   >     Is there any other type of 
  smoothing used in your>   > formulas 
  ???>   > >   >     RSI 
  works through RSIA, CCI works through CCIA>   > 
  >   >     MACD through above described 
  EMA.>   > >   >     
  What is next?>   > >   
  >     How about StochK and StochD with variable per 
  ?>   > >   >     
  Perhaps you do not know that you can do it NOW in pure>   
  > AFL !!>   > >   
  >     The HHV and LLV functions work fine with variable 
  period.>   > >   >     
  per=10+cum(1)%20;>   > >   
  >     
  StochKa=MA(100*(C-LLV(L,per))/(HHV(H,per)-LLV(L,per)),3);>   
  > >   >     
  StochDa=MA(MA(100*(C-LLV(L,per))/(HHV(H,per)-LLV>   > 
  (L,per)),3),3);>   > >   
  >     Is ther any other function you would like to see 
  with>   > variable>   > 
  >   >     period ?>   
  > >   >     Search first the definition 
  and then see if it already>   > exists 
  in>   > >   your>   > 
  >   >     AFL 
  potential.>   > >   
  >     It is better to know the definition of a 
  Stochastic,before>   > asking>   > 
  >   >     fast software 
  upgrades-enhanchments.>   > >   
  >     In my opinion, the lack of definition will always 
  confuse>   > the user,>   > 
  >   >     with fixed or variable 
  period.>   > >   >     
  Dimitris Tsokakis>   > >   
  >>   > >   >>   > 
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