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[amibroker] Re: TRENDING vs. RANGING markets (phsst)



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Phsst,

These are all tough questions and would be best answered by the 
author.  In regards to some of your other questions, I personally 
find all measurements in terms of percents much more informative than 
measurements in terms of dollars for the reasons you state.  I don't 
think the MaxDD% that the reports show when trading more than one 
vehicle simultaneously are accurate as presented in terms of account 
balance but then I am not the author and I have not put much effort 
into this area as in general this is not something I do or at least 
not within a single account.

--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "phsst" <phsst@xxxx> wrote:
> Fred,
> 
> No offense taken. System report is below. I set up the backtest 
using
> $20K per trade with no compounding.
> 
> Let me ask some questions about Amibroker's System Test Report and 
the
> Equity function(s):
> 
> If a system generates hundreds of trades over a 10 year backtest, 
does
> AB's sort all of the trades chronologically and then report dd's and
> equity chronologically, or are the System Report figures generated
> from the alphabetically sequenced trades (which would render the
> report  meaningless)? 
> 
> And further...
> 
> What real value are the reported drawdown figures? For example
> starting with $20,000 and then after a few years of using a trading
> system that accumulates a portfolio worth over $1,000,000... what 
does
> a reported Max. system drawdown of $-67,000 and a Max. system %
> drawdown of -73.09% really represent? Are the dd% figures based upon
> the original $20 portfolio or are they calculated on the value of 
the
> portfolio at the time the dd occurs?  I know for example that the
> system never experienced a -73% drawdown as measured by current
> portfolio value (single digit dd% are more like what I observed
> analyzing the trades in Excel). 
> 
> And the reported Max. system drawdown of -67,047 might be 
devastating
> against a $100K portfolio, but it is just a minor cost of doing
> business when measured against a trading system that has generated
> profit from winners of $3,232,044.
> 
> And what is the difference between max system drawdown and max trade
> drawdown since they are the same figure?
> 
> One more question... I don't understand what the reported "Total net
> profit: 13642497.00" figure is or how it is calculated.
> 
> As you can see, since there are many things I don't understand about
> the Amibroker System Test Report, I use my own methods of rooting 
out
> the viability of my trading systems. 
> 
> Anyway, here is the report: Let me know how you would interpret this
> reported data. Sorry if I sound 'dense', but when I don't understand
> exactly how a reporting tool works, then I tend to ignore it and do 
my
> own due diligence.
> 
> Overall performance summary
>  
> Total net profit: 13642497.00   Total commissions paid: 56136.00
> Return on account: 7.74 %   Open position gain/loss 0.00
> Buy&Hold profit: 147573728.28   Bars (avg. days) in test: 14623657 
(2407)
> Buy&Hold % return: 83.73%   System to Buy&Hold index: -90.76%
>  
> Annual system % return: 1.14%   Annual B&H % return: 9.66%
>  
> System drawdown: -13959.68   B&H drawdown: -19973.34
> Max. system drawdown: -67047.75   B&H max. drawdown: -76699124.91
> Max. system % drawdown: -73.09%   B&H max. % drawdown: -99.91%
> Max. trade drawdown: -67047.75      
> Max. trade % drawdown: -65.76%      
> Trade drawdown: -11338.25      
>  
> Total number of trades: 2339   Percent profitable: 49.8%
> Number winning trades: 1165   Number losing trades: 1174
> Profit of winners: 3232044.21   Loss of losers: -1308737.32
> Total # of bars in winners: 6062   Total # of bars in losers: 3072
> Commissions paid in winners: 27960.00   Commissions paid in losers:
> 28176.00
>  
> Largest winning trade: 53881.50   Largest losing trade: -11231.63
> # of bars in largest winner: 7   # bars in largest loser: 2
> Commission paid in largest winner: 24.00   Commission paid in 
largest
> loser: 24.00
>  
> Average winning trade: 2774.29   Average losing trade: -1114.77
> Avg. # of bars in winners: 5.2   Avg. # bars in losers: 2.6
> Avg. commission paid in winner: 24.00   Avg. commission paid in 
loser:
> 24.00
> Max consec. winners: 7   Max consec. losers: 5
>  
> Bars out of the market: 14606727   Interest earned: 11718469.88
>  
> Exposure: 0.1%   Risk adjusted ann. return: 142.34%
> Ratio avg win/avg loss: 2.49   Avg. trade (win & loss): 822.28
> Profit factor: 2.47  
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Phsst
> 
> 
> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Fred Tonetti <ftonetti@xxxx> 
wrote:
> > Phsst,
> > 
> > This is not meant to offend, but posting a %Return compounded or 
not is
> > not what I'd call results.
> > 
> > There isn't enough there to judge whether or not a particular 
avenue is
> > even worth investigating.  If the system has low dd's and a fairly
> > straight equity curve then it's probably at least worth some
> > investigation.
> > 
> > I'll go a little farther then a single number since pictures are 
usually
> > worth more than words . especially when they have statistics 
associated
> > with them.
> > 
> > PS I changed the equity line indicator recently to use a 
multilane title
> > for the statistics and reposted it in the files section.


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