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Hi Franco & All,

now the CBL long and short with Ms Code are available on thethird 
party http://www.amibroker.net/3rdparty.php

I have checked them with Metastock and different period,
they are apparently the same
they are included in the trailingstop dll

the names are 
Plot(msCBLShort(13),"cbl",7,1);
Plot(msCBLLong(13),"cbl",8,1);
Plot(Close,"",1,64);

stephane

ps: I'll try your idea. 

> 
> thanks also to you, for your willingness, but I think it's no 
longer essential . Now we have all we need. There are the dll's 
(present and "in progress") generously shared by Stephan, and there 
is the AFL version of Metastock's CBL formula, posted today by 
pacific. What could we desire more?
> 
> Thanks again and best regards,
> 
> Franco
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Tomasz Janeczko 
> To: amibroker@xxxx 
> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 7:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: countback line
> 
> 
> Stephane: thank you very much for your work and willingness to 
share with the others.
> 
> Franco: do you still need me to write the formula when Stephane 
provided a DLL version?
> 
> Best regards,
> Tomasz Janeczko
> amibroker.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Franco Fornari 
> To: amibroker@xxxx 
> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 7:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: countback line
> 
> 
> Stephan,
> 
> first, thanks for your willingness.
> About CBL, in the meantime I made some backtests with your 
dll's and AFL version of Metastock formula (posted today by 
pacific). If you have a little while, build a simple trading system 
using CBL as triggers for buy and sell (and short and cover). Try 
also to mix MS code as buy signal and "two countback lines" as sell 
signal and vice versa. You will get interesting results.
> 
> Best regards and thanks again,
> 
> Franco
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Stephane Carrasset 
> To: amibroker@xxxx 
> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 7:04 PM
> Subject: [amibroker] Re: countback line
> 
> 
> Hello, just come back of a mountain bike race
> I am old now...
> 
> Franco,
> it is not very hard, I'll add in the plugin the long and 
short 
> version of Mstock's CBL, and right now you can find the 
short side 
> with
> Plot(msCBLShort(5),"cbl",colorRed,1);
> Plot(Close,"",1,64);
> 
> you 'll see that you can change the number of LowDays for 
LOW > LLV
> (LOW, LowDays)
> 
> Perhaps it will be better in backtest than the right Guppy 
CBL ( and 
> I think that the dll follows the rules of two countback 
lines, it is 
> not always the case with the MS code)
> 
> Stephane
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > your dll's is certainly very helpful and friendly. I have 
recently 
> tried scCBLShort() and scCBLLong() as buy/cover and 
sell/short 
> triggers respectively, into a simple trading system without 
any 
> oscillator, and it gave me interesting results.
> > Since you think to improve your CBL formula, why you don't 
extend 
> the initialization to High(i-5) and Low(i-5), as in 
Metastock 
> formula? Do you think it's needless?
> > 
> > Best regards and thanks in advance,
> > 
> > Franco
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Stephane Carrasset 
> > To: amibroker@xxxx 
> > Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 7:32 AM
> > Subject: [amibroker] Re: countback line
> > 
> > 
> > Hi, David,
> > 
> > these mails about CBL give me the idea to add a 
functionnality 
> to 
> > the cbl.dll
> > you can always get the default value of 2 countback 
lines as 
> Guppy 
> > with
> > Plot(scCBLShort(),"cbl",7,1);
> > Plot(scCBLLong(),"cbl",8,1);
> > 
> > but you can jump to 3 or n countback line with
> > Plot(scCBLShort(3),"cbl",7,1);
> > Plot(scCBLLong(3),"cbl",8,1);
> > 
> > stephane
> > 
> > of course the CBL short is always initialized to High[i-
2]
> > if High[i-2]>High[i-1]) && (High[i-1]>High[i]) )
> > 
> > and vice versa for CBL long
> > to Low[i-2] 
> > if (Low[i-2]<Low[i-1]) && (Low[i-1]<Low[i]) ) 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > I beleive it may have been me that orginaly asked for 
the CBL 
> > > formula to be written in AFL , for which Steph wrote 
one of 
> his 
> > > great plugins..
> > > 
> > > If you want the definition of the CBL you can ask 
Darryl Guppy 
> > > himself he is very approachable , you will find him 
also in 
> the 
> > > stockcentral forum in au
> > > 
> > > I can only comment the I fine the CBL.dll to work fine 
as 
> dsecribe 
> > > by Darryl Guppy.
> > > 
> > > The ms formula is just someone interpritation of the 
CBL and 
> will 
> > > vary depending on the periods defined in the look back.
> > > 
> > > Darryl has a version on Market analysis Guppy 
essential that 
> has 
> > the 
> > > CBL line in it , which was over seen by him , i 
beleive theres 
> a 
> > > demo version if you wish to check it out compared to 
the 
> plugin ..
> > > 
> > > But i find the cbl.dll works great and would once 
again like 
> to 
> > that 
> > > Guy's like stephane who spend time writting the for 
the AB 
> users
> > > 
> > > Regards David
> > > 
> > > --- In amibroker@xxxx, "Stephane Carrasset" 
> <nenapacwanfr@xxxx> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > just added the period
> > > > 
> > > > Plot(msCBLShort(5),"cbl",colorRed,1);
> > > > 
> > > > steph
> > > > > hello,
> > > > > the MS CBL that suits the Ms code looks like this 
one below
> ( I 
> > > > have 
> > > > > not added the OR conditions, it seems correct
> > > > > you'll find it only for short side,
> > > > > in the trailing stop dll
> > > > > 
> > > > > with the name Plot(msCBLShort(),"cbl",colorRed,1);
> > > > > 
> > > > > steph
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > for(int i=0; i < 5; i++)
> > > > > {
> > > > > Cbl.array[i]=EMPTY_VAL;
> > > > > }
> > > > > 
> > > > > for( i=5; i < nSize; i++)
> > > > > {
> > > > > loday=Low[i];
> > > > > for(int j=1;j<5;j++)
> > > > > {
> > > > > if(Low[i-j]<loday)
> > > > > loday=Low[i-j];
> > > > > }
> > > > > if(Low[i] > loday)
> > > > > {
> > > > > Cbl.array[i]=Cbl.array[i-1];
> > > > > }
> > > > > else
> > > > > {
> > > > > if( High[i-2]>High[i-1] && High
[i-2]>High
> [i] 
> > > > > && High[i-1]>High[i] )
> > > > > Cbl.array[i]=High[i-2];
> > > > > else if ( High[i-3]>High[i-2] && 
High[i-
> 3]
> > > > > >High[i-1] && High[i-3]>High[i]) 
> > > > > Cbl.array[i]=High[i-3];
> > > > > else if (High[i-4]>High[i-3] && 
High[i-4]
> > > > > >High[i-2] && High[i-4]>High[i-1] 
> > > > > && High
[i-4]
> > > > > >High[i]) 
> > > > > Cbl.array[i]=High[i-4];
> > > > > else if (High[i-5]>High[i-4] && 
High[i-5]
> > > > > >High[i-3] && High[i-5]>High[i-2] 
> > > > > && High
[i-5]
> > > > > >High[i-1] && High[i-5]>High[i]) 
> > > > > Cbl.array[i]=High[i-5];
> > > > > else
> > > > > Cbl.array[i]=Cbl.array[i-1];
> > > > > 
> > > > > }
> > > > > }
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > return Cbl;
> > > > > }
> > > > > > please, you have to believe I never sent any 
request 
> before 
> > > > > searching. I've found the Metastock CBL formula, 
> yesterday, 
> > just 
> > > > by 
> > > > > Google, at 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > http://www.guppytraders.com/Metastock%
> 20Formulas/metastock%
> > > > > 20formula%206.htm#Countback%20line%20for%
20Metastock
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > They actually say that the formula is a solution 
for 
> > > Metastock. 
> > > > > Perhaps, the original could be found in the 
Guppy's 
> > book "Share 
> > > > > Trading: An Approach to Buying and Selling". They 
say, 
> also, 
> > the 
> > > > > Metastock solution maybe isn't the best solution, 
but it's 
> a 
> > > > working 
> > > > > solution.
> > > > > > Then I've found the same formula, maybe well 
readable, at
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > http://eis.pl/kr/AFM/e-w-Countback_line.html
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I think this URL is in your country.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Finally, I found a Countback line method (not 
formula), 
> > > > described 
> > > > > exactly in the same way as Stephan in his dll's 
help file. 
> > This 
> > > > > method seems quite different from the Metastock 
one.
> > > > > > Try, please, to look at the second URL. The 
formula is 
> clear 
> > > > > enough and there is also a chart.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Best regards and thanks in advance.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Franco
> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > > From: Tomasz Janeczko 
> > > > > > To: amibroker@xxxx 
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:32 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: countback line
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Franco,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > As it was mentioned on this list there is some 
doubt 
> if MS 
> > > > > formula really represents the original,
> > > > > > so I encourage you to go to www.google.com and 
do some 
> > > > searching.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Please do a web search it is really useful. I 
remember 
> > > someone 
> > > > > asking me for linear regression
> > > > > > not too long ago. I typed "linear regression" 
in the 
> > Google 
> > > > and 
> > > > > in 3 top results I found
> > > > > > very reasonable references.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It is easy, quick and does not hurt.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > When you find some nice description - I will 
write the 
> > > formula.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > Tomasz Janeczko
> > > > > > amibroker.com
> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > > From: Franco Fornari 
> > > > > > To: amibroker@xxxx 
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:22 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: countback line
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Tomasz,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > thanks for your kind reply. I'll try to re-
write the 
> > > formula 
> > > > > in a more readable form and I'll send to you. If 
you will 
> have 
> > a 
> > > > > spare moment, I will be happy, but if you have to 
spend 
> too 
> > much 
> > > > > time, never mind, it's not a matter of life and 
death.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thanks in advance and best regards,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Franco
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > > From: Tomasz Janeczko 
> > > > > > To: amibroker@xxxx 
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:00 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: countback line
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Franco,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > MS has its PREV because in MS you can not 
write 
> loops 
> > > that 
> > > > > iterate through quotes.
> > > > > > In AmiBroker you can - in VBScript or 
JScript or 
> DLL.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > As for MS formula you quoted it is VERY, 
VERY 
> > unreadable 
> > > > and 
> > > > > if you want me to write 
> > > > > > VBScript I need some description of what 
it should 
> in 
> > > fact 
> > > > > do.
> > > > > > I don't have time to reverse-engineer MS 
wrestling 
> > with 
> > > > PREV.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > Tomasz Janeczko
> > > > > > amibroker.com
> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > > From: Franco Fornari 
> > > > > > To: amibroker@xxxx 
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 7:31 
PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: countback 
line
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Ken,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > as I wrote in my first message, I don't 
have 
> > forgotten 
> > > > > what Tomasz said about PREV and AMA. They are not 
> identical. 
> > AMA 
> > > > is 
> > > > > an adaptive moving average, PREV works with other 
> functions 
> > > > allowing 
> > > > > them to refer to themselves.
> > > > > > About AMA, in fact its internal logic 
makes 
> > > inessential 
> > > > > any function like PREV, but remains an adaptive 
moving 
> > average, 
> > > > > that's all. Metastock's CBL don't uses any 
average, it 
> only 
> > > refers 
> > > > > to hard values, and PREV have to do the same.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Franco
> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > > From: Ken Close 
> > > > > > To: amibroker@xxxx 
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 
6:58 PM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [amibroker] Re: countback 
line
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Franco:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Tomasz will jump in here sometime and 
say that 
> the 
> > > AMA 
> > > > > or ___? other function in Amibroker does exactly 
what PREV 
> > does 
> > > in 
> > > > > MS and does it faster. I do not use it and so do 
not have 
> it 
> > > > > committed to memory. You could search in the 
amibroker 
> yahoo 
> > > > group 
> > > > > for PREV or AMA or wait and perhaps Tomasz or 
someone else 
> > will 
> > > > post 
> > > > > a past message on this topic.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Ken
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Franco Fornari 
[mailto:ffpsi@x...]
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 
12:09 PM
> > > > > > To: amibroker@xxxx
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: countback 
line
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > yes, I know there isn't in AFL a 
function 
> > equivalent 
> > > > to 
> > > > > PREV. I tried to use a VB Script, but I'm not able 
enough. 
> Do 
> > > you 
> > > > > know if there is, somewhere on the WEB, the 
original 
> Guppy's 
> > > > formula?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Franco 
> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > > From: Stephane Carrasset 
> > > > > > To: amibroker@xxxx 
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 
4:51 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [amibroker] Re: countback 
line
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > hello,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > there is not prev function in 
Amibroker
> > > > > > prev is a recursive function, 
> > > > > > BUT you can defind it with a 
scripting 
> language
> > > > > > my choise was since one year was C++
> > > > > > but there is jscript and vbscript
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > about the cbl, I think the ms 
version is not 
> > > > matching 
> > > > > the guppy 
> > > > > > principles but only an adaptation .
> > > > > > this is not the best trailing stop...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > steph
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > thanks for your reply. Maybe you 
are 
> referring 
> > > to 
> > > > > the dll shared 
> > > > > > by Stephan. I know it, but its logic 
seems 
> > rather 
> > > > > different and I'd 
> > > > > > like to match it against Metastock's 
CBL.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Thanks again and best regards
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Franco
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > > > From: grant 
> > > > > > > To: amibroker@xxxx 
> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 
2002 4:14 
> PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [amibroker] 
countback line
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Franco, 
> > > > > > > CBL has been converted 
somewhere 
> here 
> > > before 
> > > > > but I can't 
> > > > > > find it at the moment, 
> > > > > > > maybe if you check AB website 
formular 
> page. 
> > I 
> > > > > have a feeling it 
> > > > > > was also in one 
> > > > > > > of Steven's DLL's. Sorry I'm not 
much 
> help 
> > to 
> > > > you 
> > > > > but at least 
> > > > > > you know it's here 
> > > > > > > somewhere, I'll keep looking. 
> > > > > > > Grant 
> > > > > > > Franco Fornari wrote: 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Hello Tomasz and All, sorry if 
I 
> propose 
> > the 
> > > > > same question 
> > > > > > again, but I'd need to know if it's 
possible 
> to 
> > > > > convert from 
> > > > > > Metastock language to AFL any 
formula 
> containing 
> > > > PREV 
> > > > > function. 
> > > > > > Tomasz showed many times, in past, 
how work 
> AMA 
> > > and 
> > > > > AMA2 but, if I'm 
> > > > > > not wrong, this case seems 
different, 
> because 
> > > > > in "Countback line" 
> > > > > > Metastock formula, PREV doesn't 
refer to any 
> > > > averages 
> > > > > but to hard 
> > > > > > values. Is it possible to translate 
the 
> > following 
> > > > > formula to AFL? 
> > > > > > LowDays := Input("Enter # days to 
cover last 
> LOW 
> > > for 
> > > > > CBL calc'n:", 
> > > > > > 3, 55, 13); 
> > > > > > > If(LOW > LLV(LOW, LowDays), 
{then ...} 
> > PREV, 
> > > > > {previous CBLlo, 
> > > > > > else...} If(Ref(H,-2) > Ref(H,-1) 
AND Ref(H,-
> 2) 
> > > 
> > > H 
> > > > > AND Ref(H,-1) > 
> > > > > > H, {then ...} Ref(H,-2), {2nd day 
back 
> > > high,else...} 
> > > > If
> > > > > ((Ref(H,-3)> 
> > > > > > Ref(H,-2) AND Ref(H,-3) > Ref(H,-1) 
AND Ref
> (H,-
> > 3) 
> > > > 
> > > > H) 
> > > > > AND (Ref(H,-2)
> > > > > > > H OR Ref(H,-1) > H), {then ... } 
Ref(H,-
> 3), 
> > {3rd 
> > > > day 
> > > > > back 
> > > > > > high,else...} If((Ref(H,-4)> Ref(H,-
3) AND 
> Ref
> > (H,-
> > > 4) 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Ref(H,-2) AND 
> > > > > > Ref(H,-4) > Ref(H,-1) AND Ref(H,-4) 
> H) AND 
> (Ref
> > > (H,-
> > > > 3)
> > > > > > H OR Ref(H,-
> > > > > > 2) > H OR Ref(H,-1) > H), {then... } 
Ref(H,-
> 4), 
> > > {4th 
> > > > > day back 
> > > > > > high,else...} If((Ref(H,-5)> Ref(H,-
4) AND 
> Ref
> > (H,-
> > > 5) 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Ref(H,-3) AND 
> > > > > > Ref(H,-5) > Ref(H,-2) AND Ref(H,-5) 
> Ref(H,-
> 1) 
> > > AND 
> > > > Ref
> > > > > (H,-5) > H) 
> > > > > > AND (Ref(H,-4)> H OR Ref(H,-3) > H 
OR Ref(H,-
> 2) 
> > > 
> > > H 
> > > > OR 
> > > > > Ref(H,-1) > 
> > > > > > H), {then ...} Ref(H,-5), {5th day 
back 
> > > > high,else...} 
> > > > > PREV ))))) Any 
> > > > > > suggestion will be wellcome. Best 
regards, 
> > > Franco 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
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