RE: [RT] Off Topic: Bursting Bubbles and Myths

[Gene Pope <gene@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I’ll second that notion. My apologies for setting off a mini-firestorm. It was not my intent. My post was meant to be non-political, which is why I included members of both parties. I very much share views with you all. I think we mostly all see the power of free markets and the unintended consequences of good intentions and too much social engineering. I was actually trying to make a market related point that I think is shared here, that we’re all watching the markets for what “should” happen. How we get from A to B is another matter.

 

Frankly, my real point is how  astonished I am at how well the cycles are playing out. Not long ago, I would have been hard pressed to clearly predict the market justification for this current rise. It all points to the value of taking what is presented and not trying to justify it at all. Human nature will always find a way to make and repeat the cycles. It appears that as volatility remains high, cycle study becomes more prescient and apparent.

 

Best regards,

Gene

 

From: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Ross
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 6:43 AM
To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [RT] Off Topic: Bursting Bubbles and Myths

 

Indeed.  That would be appreciated.

 

From: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim White
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 11:53 PM
To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [RT] Off Topic: Bursting Bubbles and Myths

 



Everyone seems to have a political opinion, no matter how  idiotic it may seem but I for one do not need to listen to it on Real Traders. So I suggest that those of you that are posting political BS , take it somewhere else.  Just as in the markets, I form my own opinions from facts, not from someone else's commentary.

 Moderator, how about some action here!

 

Jim White

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Ross

To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 6:15 PM

Subject: RE: [RT] Off Topic: Bursting Bubbles and Myths

 

If Southern Democrats had prevailed over Abe Lincoln’s Republican Party in the greatest and most tragic of all contests, African Americans would be property today. 

I see your spreading the highly misleading post below, you’re displaying the same compassion and bipartisanship as generously provided by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.  You might consider that Congress has been ruled by Democrats for 50 years except for those few years in the ‘90s and ‘00s.  And during those years Clinton vetoed welfare reform 3 times before it was apparent his veto would fail and House Democrats filibustered virtually all Bush initiatives except for Iraq which they demanded the right to vote in favor of granting effective war powers.  But revisionist history would have it appear otherwise. 

From: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ira
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 8:23 PM
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Subject: [RT] Off Topic: Bursting Bubbles and Myths



Here are some interesting numbers.  I am assuming that they are correct. 

Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 4:33 PM

Subject: Bursting Bubbles and Myths

Going back to 1929, if one had invested $10,000.00 in the S&P Index, one would have over $300,671.00 as of last fall, with their investment under Democrat presidents. The same investment under Republicans would have given you a balance of $11,733.00. The average annulaized return under Democrats would have been 8.9%. Under the Repubs, a whopping 0.4%.

1953-1960(Eisenhower Administration) Unemployment Percentage Rate went UP by 228%

1961-1968(Kennedy-Johnson Administration) Unemployment Percentage Rate went DOWN by 48%

1969-1976(Nixon-Ford Administration) Unemployment Percentage Rate went UP by 229%

1977-1980 (Carter Administration) Unemployment Percentage Rate went DOWN by 8%

1981-1992 (Reagan-Bush I Administration) Unemployment Percentage Rate went UP by 3%

1993-2000 (Clinton Administration) Unemployment Percentage Rate went DOWN by 47%

2001-2008 (Bush II Administration) Unemployment Percentage Rate went UP by 86%

Let me conclude by sharing with you some other factual data that can be gleaned from government data sources, and unless I note it the data doesn’t included the last four years of the Bush II presidency, because to do so would only exacerbate the reality of what has happened under Republican leadership over the last few decades.

(1968-2004) Increase in Average Annual Income/Inflation Adjusted..

Democrats—1.5%

Republican --- .5%

(1949-2004) 4 Year Average Growth in Gross Domestic Product (GDP)

Democrat – 18.0%

Republican – 11.7%

(1949-2004) Average Year over Year Increase in Real Corporate Profits

Democrats – 9.2%

Republican – 5.2%

(1949-2004) Average Increase in Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA)

Democrat – 31.4%

Republican – 15.2%

(1949-2008) Growth in Total Civilian EMPLOYMENT

Democrat -11.1%

Republican – 5.6%

(1949-2004) Increase in Minimum Wages (Inflation Adjusted)

Democrat – Plus 7.5%

Republican – Decrease of 5.2%

(1949-2004) Percentage Change in Medium Family Income/Adjusted for Inflation

Democrat – 9.8%

Republican – 4.8%

(1949-2004) Disposable Personal Income after Taxes

Democrat – 16.7%

Republican -13.3%

(1949-2004) Federal Deficits

Democrat – 3.8%

Republican – 9.1%

(1949-2004) Increase in Federal DEBT

Democrats – 4.9%

Republicans – 18.0%

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