Re: [RT] Just some water, gas, ethanol stuff for a sunday read, RealTraders Email List Archive

Hehehe, I think a couple billion people in China might have some slight influence on the price of oil. $20 is a fond memory. Hey, China?s problem is not a bad as ours. They?re already drilling in the Gulf of Mexico where US firms can?t. And Russia is staking out their claims to vast areas of the North Pole. Gosh, I wonder if they?ll defer drilling to save the polar bear. Hehehehe.

From: realtraders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:realtraders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of LB
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:17 PM
To: realtraders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [RT] Just some water, gas, ethanol stuff for a sunday read

All we have to do is get oil under $20 again.

We can dream a little. Can't we.

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From: Robert Arbuckle

To: realtraders@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 4:01 PM

Subject: Re: [RT] Just some water, gas, ethanol stuff for a sunday read

Not to mention that the actual cost of production for ethanol less subsidies is reported to be $4.50 a gallon and it pollutes worse than fossil fuel.   So, to help become energy dependent, we starve half the world and raise food costs for all Americans whether they use automobiles or not. Those food cost increases aren't just grain products either. We feed cattle, hogs and poultry grain .. the results of higher grain prices in our meat are just now hitting the retail markets. We can't fix one problem by creating 5 new problems. (Unless we're the government).

Bob

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Jim Ross <jrosscpa@xxxxnet> wrote:

Yes, all that corn converted to gas. That will be great for the world's population that depends on corn to live. They'll starve. Mexican's already protested in Mex City over being unable to afford tortillas?their staple. Farmers will be very happy with the higher prices and subsidies as well.

From: realtraders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:realtraders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of LB
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:42 AM
To: realtraders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RT] Just some water, gas, ethanol stuff for a sunday read

If we can figure a way to go all ethanol or at least 50-50. Things would be better for all.   Now in our area we are all E-85 and working great.

Some perspective on water use

Here are some numbers on water use taken from the US Geological survey and from the US Environmental Protection Agency fondly known as the EPA. The Anti-ethanol crowd loves to pound us on water usage-----here are some facts/comparisons on water usage in US.

>62,000 gallons of water per ton of manufactured steel

>39,090 gallons of water to manufacture a new car/tires.

>28,100 gallons to process a ton of beet sugar

>1,500 gallons to process a barrel of beer (I've heard a lot of good reports about this beverage and may have to try it sometime)

>107,000 gallons used in the average home each year

>24 gallons used to produce a pound of plastic

>101 gallons to produce a pound of cotton

>300 million gallons used each day to print US newspapers---150 gallon per Sunday paper

>3 gallons of water used per gallon of ethanol produced.

Also, In aggregate, corn returns more moisture to the atmosphere than it withdraws from ground and surface water. The entire US corn crop is returning nearly 290 billion gallons of water per day to the atmosphere through transpiration. (The process by which water vapor escapes from the living plant, principally the leaves, and enters the atmosphere.)

Comparing Energy to Energy

Gasoline

Did you know it takes 23 per cent more fossil energy to create a gallon of gasoline than that gallon of gasoline itself contains?

Ethanol

Did you know it takes 22 per cent less fossil energy to create an equivalent amount of energy in ethanol?   An added plus is that the higher octane in ethanol allows it to burn more completely, therefore cleaner.

In either case, it is all about converting one form of energy to another that is useable and in demand in the market place.