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Here's the result of the inquiry - still positive!

Jerry Wagner
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> [Original Message]
> From: Tom Drake <deuxsous@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 5/25/2005 12:22:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [RT] Dicey  Deal,,,,be careful
>
> Good stuff. It then becomes a question how to use such data. Do we 
> constuct a system around it or just file it away in trader memory as 
> a "lean" or bias factor when evaluting the whole technical situation 
> as of now? As a baseball fan my bias is that in-a-row stats are fun 
> to talk about but not terribly instructive for what the man at bat or 
> on the mound will actually accomplish.
>
> In this case, however, the in-a-row stats coincide with technical 
> crises: gap fills, range bisects, etc., so stats add an edge to the 
> TA and allow one to bet a bit more confidently. Judgement isn't easy, 
> of course, or everyone would be right most of the time, and we know 
> that isn't the case. Good judges have good sense and have seen a lot 
> of reality. And they know what's true and what isn't. I follow neural 
> networks somewhat, but I'm not convinced that humans can't do it 
> better.
>
> --- In realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Jerry Wagner" <flexplan@xxxx> 
> wrote:
> > Here's some similar research from last week.  I'll ask them to 
> check for
> > the 8 day history.
> > 
> > Jerry Wagner
> > flexplan@xxxx
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Deosaran Bisnath <deobisnath@xxxx>
> > > To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Date: 5/24/2005 11:05:59 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [RT] Dicey  Deal,,,,be careful
> > >
> > > Going to run this by the 
> > > trader-talk.com guys.
> > >
> > > One way of analyzing it would be to simulate 
> > > a system that buys/sells after x consecutive 
> > > down or up closes (contra close); x varying 
> > > from 4 to let's say 9; and maybe an additional 
> > > filter to buy/sell intraday ONLY if the close
> > > of a 5-min or hourly bar is above/below previous day's 
> > > high/low.
> > >
> > > Sounds interesting, but I am tired, and it 
> > > is only Tuesday. Maybe over the weekend.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Tom Drake <deuxsous@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > Someone told me today was the first time for eight in a row 
> positive 
> > > > NASDAQ since 1999.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Deosaran Bisnath 
> > > > <deobisnath@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > And, in the case of NASDAQ,  if my math is correct, 
> > > > > this is the EIGHT SUCCESSIVE UP session. I wonder 
> > > > > how many times this has happened, and did it 
> > > > > go to 9? 10? and did it decline by how much after? 
> > > > > If anyone has the stat tools to do this, greatly appreciated
> > > > > my inquiring minds (who, coincidentally, are holding a few 
> > > > > short ESM and NQM positions).
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
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Title: Nasdaq-100 - Eight is Enough | markethistory.com | historical market intelligence
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Nasdaq-100 - Eight is Enough

Thursday, May 26, 2005

By Gibbons Burke

Alert subscriber J.W. notes that the Nasdaq-100 index, futures and ETF (QQQQ) all enjoyed an eight-day streak of gains which ended on Tuesday. We featured five-day streaks ending on Friday on Monday (looking at the futures). Will the bullish prognosis offered there (see related ideas below) hold?

Q: How has the Nasdaq-100 index (NDX) performed in the past following an eight-day run to the upside?

A: There are 12 prior occurrences of this event. Over the next eight trading days the NDX has continued to rally in 10 of the 12 cases (83%). The two declines have averaged -2.8%. Holding on for fifteen trading days raises the return achieved - the average of the 10 gains is 4.2%. The declines average -4.3%.

We use the index for this analysis because it's got the most number of occurrences after this event. When we run this event on the futures, we get three prior occurrences, all positive. See the lower chart below.

Gibbons Burke is editor of MarketHistory.com

Related Ideas:




 
Let variable values:
@	=	NDX
theEvent	=	IF
    @ is up
    repeated for the previous 7 and current value
THEN 1
ENDIF


      Date   Day        t+7        t+8       t+12       t+15       t+16

01/29/1985   Tue        2.8        2.9        1.6        0.4        0.2
02/11/1986   Tue        2.1        1.4        1.6        1.4        1.8
04/17/1986   Thu        0.5       -0.5       -1.2       -1.2       -0.7
01/13/1987   Tue        5.2        4.5        3.8        7.5        8.7
10/09/1989   Mon       -4.3       -2.2       -4.5       -7.5       -6.0
05/09/1990   Wed        6.1        7.8        7.8        9.6       10.4
05/23/1990   Wed        1.7        0.8        0.4        1.9        2.0
12/04/1990   Tue        1.2        0.3        3.0        2.5        1.8
02/01/1991   Fri        5.9        6.8        5.7        6.6        5.7
08/17/1994   Wed        3.2        3.0        1.2        3.6        2.1
09/20/1996   Fri       -1.2        0.6        1.3        3.0        3.8
11/08/1996   Fri        0.9        1.2        3.4        5.8        4.9
05/24/2005   Tue        NaN        NaN        NaN        NaN        NaN

             Avg        2.0        2.2        2.0        2.8        2.9
          AvgPos        3.0        2.9        3.0        4.2        4.1
          AvgNeg       -2.8       -1.4       -2.9       -4.3       -3.4
          PctPos       83.3       83.3       83.3       83.3       83.3
          PctNeg       16.7       16.7       16.7       16.7       16.7
         Maximum        6.1        7.8        7.8        9.6       10.4
         Minimum       -4.3       -2.2       -4.5       -7.5       -6.0
          StdDev        3.0        2.9        3.2        4.5        4.3
           ZStat        0.7        0.7        0.6        0.6        0.7
        Variance        8.9        8.7       10.0       20.3       18.7


13 Occurrences

Table 2 - performance of ND futures after this event:

Let variable values:
@       =       CME.ND
theEvent        =       IF
    @ is up
    repeated for the previous 7 and current value
THEN 1
ENDIF


      Date   Day        t+11        t+16        t+17        t+20        t+21

09/17/1996   Tue         3.1         4.1         3.5         6.7         5.9
11/08/1996   Fri         2.8         3.9         4.0         6.8         6.0
11/04/2004   Thu         2.8         4.1         3.8         6.4         6.8
05/24/2005   Tue         NaN         NaN         NaN         NaN         NaN

             Avg         2.9         4.1         3.8         6.6         6.2
          AvgPos         2.9         4.1         3.8         6.6         6.2
          AvgNeg         NaN         NaN         NaN         NaN         NaN
          PctPos       100.0       100.0       100.0       100.0       100.0
          PctNeg         0.0         0.0         0.0         0.0         0.0
         Maximum         3.1         4.1         4.0         6.8         6.8
         Minimum         2.8         3.9         3.5         6.4         5.9
          StdDev         0.2         0.1         0.3         0.2         0.5
           ZStat        15.7        35.8        14.1        28.7        12.3
        Variance         0.0         0.0         0.1         0.1         0.3


4 Occurrences
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