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Re[2]: [RT] GEN: HOLY GRAIL MANAGER



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Hello Charles,

I am not an expert either. Volume numbers look big to me but who knows
maybe  I'm  wrong.  I  think  most  reliable way would be to look into
fund's statements or trade records.

Best regards,
 Alex                            mailto:alex_bell@xxxxxxx


Wednesday, November 19, 2003, 3:25:17 PM, you wrote:

CM> Alex-

CM> Please; what are you concluding from your number crunching?  I worked out that on a typical trading day his volume would
CM> account for about 1.5% of the float; so he appears to have plenty of liquidity.  I'm wondering if these trading performance
CM> numbers are for real.  I am told they are but this is not my area of expertise.

CM> Chas
CM>   ----- Original Message ----- 
CM>   From: Alex Bell 
CM>   To: Charles Meyer 
CM>   Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 6:01 AM
CM>   Subject: Re: [RT] GEN: HOLY GRAIL MANAGER


CM>   Hello Charles,

CM>   Lets do math:

CM>   30%  ytd = $30 mio a year = $150,000 a day = $30,000 on a single trade
CM>   (assuming 5 trades a day) = 300,000 shares per trade (assuming typical
CM>   10 c intraday move in q's).

CM>   So, guy you are trying to locate is trading lots of 300,000 shares QQQ
CM>   (equivalent of 360 contracts NQ) 3-7 times per day. Not bad.

CM>   Best regards,
CM>    Alex                            mailto:alex_bell@xxxxxxx


CM>   Wednesday, November 19, 2003, 2:34:57 PM, you wrote:

CM>   CM> Group-

CM>   CM> Any ideas about how to locate this guy?  I know he's out there but I don't have a name.  Here are some program details:

CM>   CM> *  $100mil under mgt
CM>   CM> *  minimum investment $2mil
CM>   CM> *  trades only QQQs
CM>   CM> *  all trades are intra-day:  long and short
CM>   CM> *  always goes home flat
CM>   CM> *  trades between 3 - 7 times per day
CM>   CM> *  some days he may not trade
CM>   CM> *  approximate track record over last four (4) years

CM>   CM> + 40%
CM>   CM> + 30%
CM>   CM> + 35%
CM>   CM> ytd:  + 30%

CM>   CM> *  maximum drawdown:  (- 1.9%)
CM>   CM> =======================================
CM>   CM> And I thought trying to profit from short term market fluctuations was random. (:-)  These results do not look random nor
CM>   CM> does it look they were due to luck.  Oh yes; clients can view their accounts at the end of each day on line!

CM>   CM> Thoughts or comments?

CM>   CM> Chas



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