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Hi Ira,
 
That chart is from my broker OptionXpress.  
Unfortunately it is one of the few tools that require an account to 
access.  They provide so many free screens I guess they wanted something 
for clients only.
 
Good luck and good trading,
 
Ray Raffurty
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  Ira 

  To: <A title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
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  Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 1:04 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Whopping Premiums, was : RE: 
  [RT] Re: Fedback-This Week's Most Unusual Covered Call
  
  Interesting charts.  Where can these be 
  found?  There was a web site that used to provide this information and 
  more, but I seem to have misplaced the URL.  Thanks, Ira. 
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    Ray 
    Raffurty 
    To: <A 
    title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
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    Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 5:23 
    PM
    Subject: Re: Whopping Premiums, was : 
    RE: [RT] Re: Fedback-This Week's Most Unusual Covered Call
    
    The attached chart shows that implied 
    volatility of the OEX which usually tracks 30 day historic volatility has 
    increases substantially in the last few weeks.
     
    Good luck and god trading,
     
    Ray Raffurty
     
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      M. 
      Simms 
      To: <A 
      title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
      href="">realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
      
      Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 1:56 
      AM
      Subject: Whopping Premiums, was : RE: 
      [RT] Re: Fedback-This Week's Most Unusual Covered Call
      
      Speaking of 
      options, has anyone taken a gander at the whopping premiums of index 
      options like the OEX in the current expiration Month ?
      Holy 
      moly....lots of opportunities here in shorting premium if the angst is 
      near it's max.
      2 weeks 
      ago, long puts was a great position, but RIGHT NOW I can't see going long 
      <any> options at this juncture, can you ?
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        size=2>-----Original Message-----From: Ray Raffurty 
        [mailto:r.raffurty@xxxxxxxx]Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 
        6:00 PMTo: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; John 
        CappelloCc: MedianLine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: Re: 
        [RT] Re: Fedback-This Week's Most Unusual Covered 
        Call
        Correction:  The <FONT 
        face="Courier New" size=3>cash in lieu of 0.30422 share of Travelers 
        Property Casualty Corp. Class A ("TAP.A") Common Stock; plus cash in 
        lieu of 0.84326 share of Travelers Property Casualty Corp. Class B will 
        be a lot more than what I said since TAP.A is at is at $14.40 and B is 
        at 14.44.  Sorry, but it will be around $16.20 per 
        contract.
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        Good luck 
        and good trading
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        Ray 
        Raffurty
        
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          >From: 
          Ray 
          Raffurty 
          To: <A title=jvc689@xxxxxxx 
          href="">John Cappello ; <A 
          title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
          href="">realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
          
          Cc: <A 
          title=MedianLine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
          href="">MedianLine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
          
          Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 
          5:40 PM
          Subject: [RT] Re: Fedback-This 
          Week's Most Unusual Covered Call
          Hi John,If you purchased 100 shares of C 
          and sold 1CLTCC call your are NOTcompletely covered.  In 
          August of 2002 Citigroup spun off it's TravelersInsurance division 
          <A 
          href="">http://www.citi.com/citigroup/press/020820a.htm 
          anddistributed the Traveler shares to owners of Citigroup stock in 
          the ratiodescribed at<A 
          href="">http://www.cboe.com/common/pageviewer.asp?file=02-454.doc&dir=ttstocksm&head=stock%20splits%20%26%20mergers&sec=5Since 
          options, including the March 15 CCC calls, where trading at the 
          timethose contracts had to be adjusted to include the shares 
          distributed and theoption symbols where changed to as the LT thus 
          CLTCC is a nonconformingoption.  At the time of the 
          distribution a new series was created foroptions sold after that 
          date without the LT symbol to indicate 100 shares ofCitigroup 
          only.  In other words if you owned 100 shares of C in early 
          August2002 and sold (1) 15 CCC call you would be required to 
          deliver both the 100Citigroup shares PLUS the shares of Travelers 
          you received, if exercised,and the symbol was changer to 
          CLTCC.  After the distribution date if youpurchased 100 
          shares of C and sold 1 CCC 15 call you would be covered.  
          Asfar as I know the unusual option symbol is always the 
          nonconforming one.If you look at the attached chart you will 
          see that in every case the optionwith the LT designation is 
          trading at a higher bid and ask for the samestrike than the option 
          without the LT.  This occurs because the value of theoptions 
          are determined by adding the value of the various Travelers 
          sharesto the 100 Citigroup shares.I don't what Smith 
          Barney told you but CLTCC is a 15 strike, it's just formore than 
          100 shares (nonconforming).  If you go to the OptionXpress 
          website and go to the calls only option chain you can check a box 
          to show thenonconforming options.  If the box is checked the 
          LT series shows and if itis not checked they don't show.I 
          believe the quote you got over the week end on CCC was 
          erroneous.  Theremay not even be a market in that option 
          currently (in is no longer showingup).  It is possible that 
          the data from which the various option chains arecreated had 
          defaulted to an old quote when it found no new prices.  
          Also,when you use a website to search for option yielding a high % 
          on coveredcalls you must be very careful.  They often do not 
          screen out nonconformingoptions but calculate the % gain based on 
          100 shares!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Ihave been burned this way and 
          learned to check the CBOE's web site whensomething looks to 
          good.If you entered an order to sell CCC, I would question why 
          your brokersubstituted the nonconforming CLTCC and demand it be 
          undone.  He should haverejected the order or given you the 
          price on CCC.  If, however, you enteredthe order to sell 
          CLTCC you need to either close the trade before expirationor plan 
          to purchase the various Traveler's shares required to be 
          covered(more commissions).  In this case, perhaps your kindly 
          old broker will undothe trade..., NOT.  You can always do 
          nothing, but you will be shortTravelers on 2/24/03 after the 
          options are exercised.  You can then buy toclose the short, 
          but the market has a way of moving to make this the worstpossible 
          outcome, not to mention additional commissions.The short will 
          be:   4 shares of Travelers Property Casualty Corp. Class 
          A("TAP.A") Common Stock; plus 8 shares of Travelers Property 
          Casualty Corp.Class B ("TAP.B") Common Stock; plus cash in lieu of 
          0.30422 share ofTravelers Property Casualty Corp. Class A 
          ("TAP.A") Common Stock; plus cashin lieu of 0.84326 share of 
          Travelers Property Casualty Corp. Class B("TAP.B") Common 
          Stock.Also notice that there are 2 "cash in lieu of" 
          components.  This means youwill need to pay out that cash to 
          the option holder ($1.15 per contract).This cash is probably to 
          adjust for fractional shares that wheredistributed, but which 
          could not be accounted for otherwise.I think the odds are 
          against you on this and you will be lucky if you onlytake a small 
          loss.  Unfortunately the market does not hand out money 
          thisway.  Occasional there will be small discrepancies in 
          option price to stockprice, pennies or less.  Then 
          professionals will move quickly on volume andlow commissions to 
          close the discrepancy.Good luck and good trading,Ray 
          Raffurty----- Original Message -----From: "John 
          Cappello" <jvc689@xxxxxxx>To: "Ray Raffurty" 
          <r.raffurty@xxxxxxxx>; 
          <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Cc: 
          <MedianLine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 
          2:07 PMSubject: Fedback-This Week's Most Unusual Covered 
          Call> Dear Ray,>> I just did a double 
          check with Smith Barney and the correct symbol> for the $15 
          strike price is CLTCC.... which is what I sold. Options> 
          Express also confirms this. The other designations just 
          further> describe the Travelers acquisition from last 
          year...and have nothing> to do with pricing other than 
          history.>> When I first looked at this trade, the $17.50 
          strike price was in the> profit mode to sell the call and buy 
          the stock...that is now close to> parity.>> Hope 
          this helps.>> Sincerely,>> 
          John>>>>> ------------------ Reply 
          Separator --------------------> Originally From: "Ray Raffurty" 
          <r.raffurty@xxxxxxxx>> Subject: Re: [RT] This Week's Most 
          Unusual Covered Call> Date: 03/08/2003 
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