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I was not talking about
Madonna. I was using her as a person who could change and only chose her
because she's in the spot light. I could have chosen Oprah's show.
The point was people can and do change because change is possible. The
prior poster said no one could change who they were. I would be going
against the fiber of their being (not exact quote). People can and do
change if they are willing to take the steps to make a change. Hence the
original poster who wants to let go of his issues and move beyond to become
better at trading. My view it is possible. The other posters view it
was not. Hence my example (only because it could be seen from beginning to
current day) of growth, change and self actualization.
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With that, I hope it is
seen that I'm 1) not talking about Madonna and 2) change is
possible.
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Norman
Winski
To: <A title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 8:56
PM
Subject: Re: [RT] Mentor: More Mental
Game Than Otherwise
Dimpil,
I would like to know why anyone on this
list is wasting our time talking about Madonna? If she works real hard, the
best anyone can hope, if so inclined to bother, is that she will return
to a normal life, and then who cares? I fail to see the relevancy of Madonna
to gaining success as a trader? Anyone checked out the George Soros Holiday
CD? <G>
Regards,
Norman
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Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 7:46
PM
Subject: Re: [RT] Mentor: More Mental
Game Than Otherwise
That is your opinion,
however I wasn't going for her personality. She has changed from when
she first came on the scene to now. Growth, maturity etc.
Anyway, I do believe people can change, it takes works, self awareness and
determination but it is doable. From your view (and you are entitled
to it) a person has no opportunity for self actualization, self awareness
and to change whatever negative or positive behavior. I think
differently.
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Peace.
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BobsKC
To: <A
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:22
PM
Subject: Re: [RT] Mentor: More Mental
Game Than Otherwise
Again that is Madonna was
and is a user ... she is a person who identifies what she believes her
public wants and then she gives it to them in large doses. She'll be
whatever you want her to be as long as you pay for it. In your case,
you have to be you and actually, Madonna has to be herself as well ... she
just varies the facade. But back to you, you can't be what you are
not. You can't become who you are not. Not unless such changes
happen over long periods of time, naturally. You have to take who
you are and use that person's strengths and weaknesses to become a
successful trader. Just do what she does. Give em what they
want while continuing to be who you really are
...BobAt 08:15 PM 12/17/2002 -0500, you wrote:
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color=#808080>Bob, why would you say that? Anyone can change
and view things differently if they are willing to make the changes
within themselves. That is a part of our humanness. For
example, Madonna, she has changed a lot since she first came to
fame. I only use her because she lives in the spot light and you
can see her growth from her first interview/music to current day
interviews/music. Part of life is about experiences and how those
experiences impact, subtle or explosive.
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From: BobsKC
To: <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] Mentor: More Mental Game Than
Otherwise
BobOf course, we are all individuals so I can't speak for you but
you are looking to be trained/taught something that resides inside of
you. It is a product of your upbringing. Your
values. Your life's experiences. For someone else with
different ideas brought on by their own experiences would be most
difficult to pass on to you, with yours. Even the trading itself
is, in part, a product of your personality and what works for me, may
well not work for you since our personalities and life's experiences
differ. Only you can add to your emotional account since only
you have the assets and baggage which must be a part of any change in
that area. In my opinion, you would be wasting your time and
money to attempt to bring in alien concepts to your landscape. I
do wish you well in your quest.
Bob
At 10:37 AM 12/17/2002 -0700, you wrote:
I really love all the feedback about getting/having a
mentor.
But I should have been more specific from the outset:
I feel my challenges (and therefore my needs) are more
along the lines of my mental game. I have certain
"support and resistance" levels in my mental game that
hinder my growth as a trader.
I would like to find someone who is an expert at assisting
others in overcoming mental roadblocks and what I call
"psychological capital drainage" factors.
For me, I have found that on any given day, after early
morning self-analysis, there's a certain amount of
emotional capital that I have to work with.
I've found that the amount of emotional capital that I
have in my "mental account" at any given time is of more
importance than any amount of capital that's in my
trading account.
Bottom line is this: I have challenges with growing that
amount of emotional capital -- by growing through my
challenges (hopefully with the assistance of a "mental
mentor" if you will) I will be able to grow my financial
account as well.
Soooo.....
With all that in mind -- could someone recommend a
one-on-one counselor, coach, mentor, or otherwise who
you are confident can assist me in growing through
my challenges?
Thanks again to all who are so kind and generous with
their time to reply.
Warmly,
Brian Keith Voiles
At 10:31 PM 12/16/2002 -0500, you wrote:
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From: <A
href="mailto:mandrews@xxxxxxxxxxx";>mandrews@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: Norman Winski
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] Seeking a Mentor to Take Me Higher
Norman,
Well said. I've always enjoyed reading your posts. The last
time we spoke via e-mail, you mentioned that trading with
Astrology one has to trade a particular market only if it happens
to play the right tune on that specific date. If it doesn't happen
to play the right tune when the date comes, then you stand aside.
I realize it's not easy to make money in the market, if it were
then everyone would be doing it, but how do you know a particular
market has played the right tune until it's already finished it's
song?
NW: Mat, one doesn't have to hear the
entire song in order to "name that tune:" Most people can identify
Beethoven's Fifth Symphony after hearing the first four
notes. Same is true for the market.
If my analysis and forecast say to
expect A A B AA and the market plays BB B CC I
know my forecast is not in tune with the market. If the market
shows signs of matching what I expect, then there is a good chance
my analysis is in tune with the market and I should consider
entering the market.
Mat
P.S. I've always felt that if one could trade the markets
successfully for a living, then they wouldn't need to sell
books/systems/courses/indicators, etc...
NW: I say, why not do both? I
trade and I enjoy meeting and helping people. Each brings me
satisfaction that only doing one wouldn't do.
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DN,
Per your question below, trigger shyness can be fixed with
practice. First start with paper trading your system exactly to
the rules, assuming you have rules or a system. Hopefully, after
seeing your system successfully work on paper for at least six
months, you may decide you are ready to trade real money. Now
trade the same system using such a minimal amount of money that if
all went wrong, it wouldn't phase you. You should grade your
performance as much by how well you followed your rules as you
judge the system. Making money on a trade where you didn't follow
the rules is a bad trade. Losing money while following the rules
is a good trade. If your system works and you follow it, you will
make money in the long run. If you had trouble following your
rules, you either need a different system or consider changing to
a non financial venture such as Parchesi where you won't h
Next patient! <G>
Regards,
Dr. Norm
Your Trading Doc
P.S. I sense with all the books and software you have, you may
be suffering from
analysis paralysis. The answer of course is to simplify!! Get
a simple system written
down on paper that you can follow like a robot. You should not
be making any decisions
during market hours. All strategies should be determined in
advance. Just follow what you
have laid out in advance just as you were a robot. No thinking
allowed.
----- Original Message -----
From: XINOS@xxxxxxx
To: nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] Seeking a Mentor to Take Me Higher
Norm,
Great advice to Brian.
Can you recommend any books/gurus/courses on EOD trading in
the Stock Market?
I have accumulated about $5,000 worth of books and about
$10,000 worth of software ((now u sing AIQ mostly) Advanced Get
occasionally).
I'm a reluctant "trigger-puller." I've been a "student" for
about six years.
Any advice will be greatly appreciated.
Dan Nicholas; San
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