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--- In realtraders@xxxx, "ira" <mr.ira@xxxx> wrote:
>There is no requirement to be good at what you do if you
>are hired as a teacher. The other problem is the parents.
I agree with these two comments. Teachers should be rewarded (or
not!) based on performance. Unfortunately this doesn't happen in big
bureaucracies / government agencies. Why does anyone think teachers
are going judged this way?
I have been involved in my son's education since pre-school. I can
tell you first hand that many parents do NOTHING to prepare their
kids for school. The irony is the more ill-prepared your child is for
school the more services you can demand from the system. A few
troubled kids can nearly cripple a school, and just one can ruin a
classroom. Moreover, schools are often mandated by law to reward
these same kids with extra services. The worse you do as a parent the
more the government rewards your kid.
That said, I wonder about folk's agendas on this list. A few seconds
with Google will get you the facts (if you want them, I've done the
search for you (see the lazier you are the more help you get <g>)).
Teacher salaries largely depend on which county they teach in. A few
rich counties DO pay teachers well. AVERAGE starting pay in the good
old USA is well < $30K. What other college grads start < $30K as a
group? If you are in a wealthy town in a less wealthy county (like
me) you and your kids both get screwed. The county sucks the tax
money away, and your local school system gets squat.
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos069.htm
"According to the American Federation of Teachers, beginning teachers
with a bachelor's degree earned an average of $27,989 in the 1999-
2000 school year. The estimated average salary of all public
elementary and secondary school teachers in the 1999-2000 school year
was $41,820. Private school teachers generally earn less than public
school teachers."
http://www.teateachers.org/thefacts/08053.php
"The average classroom teacher pay in Tennessee, by school system,
ranges from a high of $44,318 in Alcoa to a low of $29,774 in
Sequatchie County. According to NEA research, the average salary of
classroom teachers in Tennessee was $36,328. The national average was
$41,724, and the Southeast average was $37,010"
http://www.isbe.state.il.us/research/broch98.htm
IL:
"All Classroom Teachers (Pre K-12) 39,683
First Year Teachers 26,150"
--- In realtraders@xxxx, "ira" <mr.ira@xxxx> wrote:
> Tenure killed the teaching profession. If you could get hired it
was nearly
> impossible to get fired unless you were a child molester and then
there was
> a court battle. There is no requirement to be good at what you do
if you
> are hired as a teacher. The other problem is the parents. Don't
discipline
> my child. Don't make him do all of that home work, it interferes
with his
> selling drugs. 45% of all drug traffic happens in the city. Where
do you
> think the other 55% is?
>
> There is no work ethic, there is no responsibility for ones
actions, the is
> no respect for another persons property or rights. A couple of
kids stole
> my XKE roadster and it was my fault for having an attractive
nuisance. They
> were involved in a hit and run and I had to prove that the car was
stolen.
> The were chased up a country road at about 140 MPH and I had to
explain
> where I was at the time. They caught them and I was being
questioned. They
> were laughing because they would be on the street in a 1/2 hour.
What is
> the system telling these kids. The schools, the parents, and the
penal
> system.
--- In realtraders@xxxx, "Pete Holt" <rascal2@xxxx> wrote:
> teacher salaries in Farifax County, Virginia. 260 day contract
(not bad considering Christmas and Spring vacations!)
>
> starting - bachelors + 30 hours graduate credits - $44,500
> ending after 26 years - same qualifications $85,500
>
> very generous fringe benefit package and pension plan.
>
> check out http://www.fcps.edu/DHR/salary.htm to confirm.
>
> private school salaries in the area are LESS, not more than the
above. the issue is not poor compensation.
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