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Tennessee is not one of the better paying states for teachers but even
here, it appears that educators with a masters are making $40K or so to
start for 9 months work which works out to $54K or so at full time
employment. Not great but not bad.
Bob
At 09:44 PM 9/22/2002 +0000, you wrote:
> > about money--PAC money mainly. the largest contributors to
>Democrats are unions, teachers associations and trial lawyers....
>
>I largely agree, but teachers are paid crap....you can't have it both
>ways. Starting pay at the local grocery store is higher
>than teachers with a masters degree....
>
>
>--- In realtraders@xxxx, Jim Johnson <jejohn@xxxx> wrote:
> > Hello BobsKC,
> >
> > you can't hold teachers accountable--they're unionized AND they have
> > tenure. what's that all about?
> >
> > about money--PAC money mainly. the largest contributors to
>Democrats
> > are unions, teachers associations and trial lawyers.
> >
> > the liberal philosophy continues to eat away at our way of life.
>even
> > last night on the WSJ editorial board roundtable--when asked about
> > Welsh's retirements perks, not one of those presumably free market
> > conservative writers observed that what he got was given to him
> > freely. Even they seemed to be tacitly buying into the implication
> > that somebody (government I assume) should get involved in this.
>the
> > title of van Hayek's book is chilling--The Road to Serfdom.
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Jim Johnson mailto:jejohn@x...
> >
> > --
> > Saturday, September 21, 2002, 10:29:59 PM, you wrote:
> >
> > B> Unions. I watched the UAW refuse to give back a dime to Cat
>when things
> > B> got tough in the early 80's even in the face of warnings they
>would move
> > B> their Iowa plants. Well, they moved them. To France! My
>company provided
> > B> two way radio and closed circuit tv services to those plants and
>it was a
> > B> tough loss for us.
> >
> > B> There was a time for labor unions. That time was 80 years ago.
>Most of
> > B> the money they pull in goes to organized crime and they have
>caused
> > B> manufacturing to depart wholesale. Besides, I am suspicious of
>anyone who
> > B> wants to work at a job where they tell you how much you can make.
> >
> > B> So, greed has driven out the manufacturing jobs. Our education
>system has
> > B> lowered the bar for the few until the majority are getting a
>second rate
> > B> education and can not compete in the world market place.
>Education is not
> > B> the same as corporate earnings. You can't just lower the
>estimates. I
> > B> worry a lot about our youth .. kids coming out of high school
>today are
> > B> less informed that kids coming out of 8th grade 30 years ago.
>The damn
> > B> bar better get put back up where it belongs and teachers held
>accountable
> > B> and tested.
> >
> > B> Bob
> >
> >
> > B> At 05:57 PM 9/21/2002 -0700, you wrote:
> > >>Did the US have a choice in its conversion? It was convert or
>die. The
> > >>manufacturing went elsewhere because they could do it just as
>good and a lot
> > >>cheaper. The only other alternative we had was to become
>isolationists again
> > >>and ban imports. Our agriculture is going the same way right
>now. Garlic
> > >>is coming in from China at 1/2 the price it can be produced for
>in the US.
> > >>The same with oranges, grapefruit and other citrus from Australia
>and South
> > >>America. Are the grain markets in the same shape? Brazil,
>Australia, and
> > >>other countries are producing product for less. How long can a
>subsidy
> > >>last? Where is our vaunted fishing fleet. Are there any
>American flag
> > >>vessels left afloat, outside of the Navy and coast guard. Do we
>produce
> > >>shoes or clothing any more? We still have a thriving wine
>industry.
> > >>
> > >>I have a question. Who does the service industry service? We
>have banks
> > >>that lend money to foreign countries that don't repay the loans.
>We have
> > >>computer companies that import all of the parts they assemble
>here. So we
> > >>did save those high paying assembly line jobs. The fast food
>restaurants
> > >>are expanding overseas instead of in the US so those high paying
>service
> > >>jobs at Wendy's and McD aren't going to shrink the unemployment
>rolls. The
> > >>banks can now lose money in insurance, brokerage and other non
>banking
> > >>endeavors. Even the federal government is sending our armaments
>for
> > >>production overseas.
> > >>
> > >>Were is the talent coming from to operate the high tech
>companies? That
> > >>talent is coming from oversees. We can't even produce an
>intelligent work
> > >>force. There is one ever expanding area of the economy. Tattoo
>parlors and
> > >>body piercing salons are popping up all over. Now there is a
>real future
> > >>for your kids. Am I missing something here? Ira
> > >>
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: "Earl Adamy" <eadamy@xxxx>
> > >>To: <realtraders@xxxx>
> > >>Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 4:54 PM
> > >>Subject: Re: [RT] Service vs Manufacturing economy
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > Gary, do you have a URL for that article, sure would like to
>read the
> > >>whole
> > >> > thing?
> > >> >
> > >> > I have long believed that true economic strength is built upon
>a strong
> > >>and
> > >> > resilient manufacturing base. I have also been saying for many
>years that
> > >> > the US would suffer deeply in the next recession/depression
>for having
> > >> > converted to a service based economy.
> > >> >
> > >> > Earl
> > >> >
> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > From: "Gary Funck" <gary@xxxx>
> > >> > To: <realtraders@xxxx>
> > >> > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 3:23 PM
> > >> > Subject: RE: [RT] 10 year note near 40 year highs ?
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > > > From: Daniel Goncharoff [mailto:thegonch@x...]
> > >> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 9:37 AM
> > >> > > > To: realtraders@xxxx
> > >> > > > Subject: Re: [RT] 10 year note near 40 year highs ?
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > I think there are two sides to this point. Isn't a service-
>based
> > >>economy
> > >> > > > more flexible than one based on large factories? It may
>mean that
> > >> > > > changes come more easily, and that new industries can
>develop using
> > >>the
> > >> > > > excess information-based labor from weaker sectors.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > In this respect, telecoms will be a good real-life
>example. It will be
> > >> > > > interesting to see what happens to all the people getting
>laid off by
> > >> > > > the telecoms firms that won't be growing for several
>years. If they
> > >>end
> > >> > > > up having no place to go, that would indicate your believe
>is
> > >>validated.
> > >> > > > If they find new jobs in a similar field, I think the
>economic hit
> > >>will
> > >> > > > not be very big at all.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > In this week's Business Week, there's a rather disturbing
>article that
> > >> > refutes
> > >> > > the theory that a service based economy should be more
>resilient.
> > >>Excerpts
> > >> > > below:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > SEPTEMBER 30, 2002
> > >> > >
> > >> > > NEWS: ANALYSIS & COMMENTARY
> > >> > >
> > >> > > The Educated Unemployed
> > >> > > The jobless rate for managers and professionals is likely to
>rise
> > >> > >
> > >> > > [...]
> > >> > > Here's why joblessness is likely to rise: Across the board,
>companies
> > >>are
> > >> > > facing an unholy trio of low profits, weak demand, and
>falling
> > >> > prices--with no
> > >> > > relief in sight. Revenues for the companies in the Standard
>& Poor's
> > >> > 500-stock
> > >> > > index are down 2% over the past year, adding to the pressure
>on
> > >>businesses
> > >> > to
> > >> > > cut costs by cutting workforces. At the same time,
>productivity is
> > >>soaring
> > >> > at a
> > >> > > rapid clip--a 6% gain over last year at nonfinancial
>corporations.
> > >>That's
> > >> > > allowing businesses to meet flat demand with fewer workers.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Even more distressing, some of the sectors where the job
>market has
> > >>stayed
> > >> > > relatively strong--including health, education, finance, and
>retailing,
> > >> > which
> > >> > > together make up about 40% of the total workforce--are
>showing signs of
> > >> > > cracking. And the already grim labor picture in the airline,
>energy,
> > >> > > technology, telecom, and media sectors--some 7% of the
>workforce--keeps
> > >> > > deteriorating.
> > >> > > [...]
> > >> > > This is the dark side of the productivity boom. During the
>second half
> > >>of
> > >> > the
> > >> > > 1990s, output per worker rose, but soaring demand and
>revenues, driven
> > >>in
> > >> > part
> > >> > > by the technology and telecom boom, helped boost hiring and
>push down
> > >>the
> > >> > > unemployment rate below 4%. Wages and bonuses soared, and it
>seemed like
> > >>a
> > >> > > golden age for workers.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > But rising productivity without rising demand is a recipe for
> > >>disappearing
> > >> > > jobs. If companies can't raise prices, the only way they can
>boost
> > >>profits
> > >> > is
> > >> > > to cut workers--and higher productivity makes that possible.
> > >> > > [...]
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
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