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Re: [RT] GEN: DEFLATION AND GOLD....



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Simms-
 
Yes; I'm back with another question.<g>  
OK; now let me please ask this.  Would
the cure for EITHER scenerio (inflationary 
depression or deflationary depression)
be to dramatically cut both taxes and 
spending?  Or; would the cure be different for
each potential scenerio?  I can't see ANY of 
these politicians taking steps to do either.  Tks for your 
patience.
 
chas
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  AM
  Subject: RE: [RT] GEN: DEFLATION AND 
  GOLD....
  
  The first would 
  occur only if actions to stop the second one fail.
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  Tell-tale signs 
  of the second:
  1) steepening 
  yield curve
  2) widening 
  corporate vs. treasury bond spread
  3) CRB index 
  declining
  4) real estate 
  prices stall, then reverse
  5) falling 
  equity prices
  6) increased 
  bankruptcy levels
   
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    <FONT face=Tahoma 
    size=2>-----Original Message-----From: Charles Meyer 
    [mailto:chaze@xxxxxxxx]Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:43 
    PMTo: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: Re: [RT] 
    GEN: DEFLATION AND GOLD....
    Simms-
     
    You wrote that:    "once that 
    ball gets rolling, the government has no choice except to pull an 
    "Argentina" and massively reflate...if they can do so in time.  If they 
    can't, wham, depression occurs..."
     
    Is the scenerio then EITHER inflationary 
    depression OR deflationary depression;
    assuming things got out of hand?
     
    chas
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      Simms 
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      title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
      Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 12:27 
      PM
      Subject: RE: [RT] GEN: DEFLATION AND 
      GOLD....
      
      DEPRESSION 
      and DEFLATION not EXACTLY the same......
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      yes, in a 
      depression, real assets worth nothing, and the US dollar worth little, so 
      gold shines....can't be printed, can't be forged.....
      BUT With a 
      slower evolving deflationary scenario, all assets groups 
      decline......pricing power is gone.
      This is why 
      everyone is watching the housing market so 
      carefully.....
      as once 
      THAT market begins to decline, then we are really in trouble and a 
      depression becomes likely since mortgage holders (banks, etc) begin to 
      foreclose on properties whose value is less than the principal on the 
      mortgage due.
      Once that 
      ball gets rolling, the government has no choice except to pull an 
      "Argentina" and massively reflate.....if they can do so in 
      time.
      If they 
      can't, wham, depression occurs....
      if they do 
      catch it in time, then massive inflation results with mortgage holders and 
      other creditors, the big losers.
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        size=2>-----Original Message-----From: Charles Meyer 
        [mailto:chaze@xxxxxxxx]Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 11:39 
        AMTo: REAL TRADERSSubject: [RT] GEN: DEFLATION AND 
        GOLD....
        
        Group-
        Excerpt below from interview which references price of HM during the 
        great depression.  I wanted to know Pretcher's logic for expecting 
        the opposite in the event of a deflation this time 
        around.  
        chas
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        TAYLOR: Well, I have had some experience in analyzing gold 
        shares in all sorts of markets. Homestake Mining shared with me their 
        daily share prices dating all the way back to 1888 through 1998. During 
        the depression, Homestake Shares appreciated very greatly despite the 
        fact that we experienced deflation rather than inflation.
        BATRA: Did the price of Homestake rise right from the 
        beginning or...
        TAYLOR: No, actually Homestake's share price initially fell 
        too from $83.50 just before the crash to $65 about two weeks after the 
        crash. So perhaps the law of substitution did initially apply. But from 
        November 15th and thereafter, Homestake's shares rose dramatically, to a 
        high of over $500 by 1936. And during 1932, when the DJIA had lost 90%, 
        Homestake's shares had reached $162. So investors who diversified their 
        portfolios with a little Homestake were able to travel through the Great 
        Depression relatively unscathed, while those who owned only the Dow 
        Jones Industrials, were devastated.
        BATRA: Ok, what I am saying is that timing 
        is important. Gold stocks are also going to do very well. <FONT 
        color=#990000>However, at this stage, my advice is to start preparing 
        yourself by buying gold bullion. Then begin buying gold shares 
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