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Jazzy Jeff is back.
was in florida visiting relatives.
ready to lash out at idiotic comments,
the usual indicator sales people, and
others who claim that they have the secret
of the markets, sand bars, waves, cycles,
10 year outlooks, 20 plus multi colored lines intersecting
every square inch of a chart. yep, those two lines touched,
must be support, or was it resistance, or was it left overs
from my lunch, or a Hurst? oops...had the wrong settings.
let me change them to correct my mistake.
what we need is an adaptive, auto optimization machine,
on an hourly basis, ya...that might work.
and again, No... I am not mark brown.
I am my own jerk. don't need help from Mark.
I can do it on my own. gota go, just found a wave
forming, just fibbing, or was that sacred geometry
amd the golden rule of nature?
why couldn't ya just let me stay quiet?
jazz
-- In realtraders@xxxx, "Norman Winski" <nwinski@xxxx> wrote:
> Don,
>
> Did the mystery person slip up? My recollection is that Jazzy
Jeff was
> accused of being "Mark". Jazzy Jeff then replies that he isn't Mark
Brown.
> Seems to me that Jazzy Jeff hasn't been on this list long enough to
know who
> Mark Brown is unless he is Mark Brown. Whatya think?
>
> Detectingly,
>
> Norman
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Ewers" <dbewers@xxxx>
> To: <realtraders@xxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 9:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
>
>
> > I stand corrected ahhh . . well . . . maybe no, how did you
know I was
> an
> > EW'er since last post to that was way before your first post
(don't tell
> me
> > you read the achives), then a "sleeper'' post, then nothing until
TG
> > recently disappeared hmmmm , your MO is unmistakable MB. First
your
> "style
> > of reply" now changed (once pointed out by a list member) but
the "need to
> > respond" to anyone that posts on this list with a sarcastic
reply . . .
> nope
> > no mistake about it MB all the way?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jeff97_98_1998" <jprroth@xxxx>
> > To: <realtraders@xxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:03 PM
> > Subject: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
> >
> >
> > > Nope. can't pin this one on Mark.
> > > My mouth has been washed out with soap, for
> > > I have been a baaad boy.
> > > For all the folks I have offended with my deeply religious
rhetoric,
> > > I am sorry for causing you pain and suffering.
> > > Apparently a few nerve endings are to near the skin, and my
remarks
> > > have agitated.
> > > I shall refrain from anything remotely controversial, and will
> > > now agree with every rediculous statement, observation, remark,
> > > analysis, indicator salesman,scam , whatever. No waves from
me..
> > > Oops, I said wave, That might be
> > > misinterpreted as an attack on an Elliott Wave believer. sorry
for
> > > that remark.
> > >
> > > Nope, not mark brown.
> > >
> > > has been fun.....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In realtraders@xxxx, "Don Ewers" <dbewers@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > Mark is that you, formally TG . . . . ?
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "jeff97_98_1998" <jprroth@xxxx>
> > > > To: <realtraders@xxxx>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 10:49 AM
> > > > Subject: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Duke,
> > > > >
> > > > > So news reports on national television, interviewing
> > > > > people "seeing" the Virgin Mary in a rust stain,
> > > > > that is OK. But if I make reference to it, that is
> > > > > not OK, blaspheme ? A little touch of hipocracy.
> > > > > Censorship, the Americam way. Do you understand
> > > > > sarcasm? Put me on auto ignore.
> > > > > Non constructive for you, may be constructive
> > > > > for anothers. do you speak for all, or is this
> > > > > just your opinion? request that the moderator ban
> > > > > me. But don't ban the indicator salesmen, the
> > > > > rediculous prognosticators and their pay sites.
> > > > >
> > > > > freedom of expression comes in many forms.
> > > > > restriction of expression, wasn't that tried
> > > > > in a few third world countries, with less than
> > > > > stellar results?
> > > > >
> > > > > take care......
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In realtraders@xxxx, "Duke Jones - Portfolio Manager"
> > > > > <Duke.Jones@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > Jeff,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am a lurker on the board and I have resisted the
temptation to
> > > > > fire back a
> > > > > > response after a couple of your emails but this last one
with
> > > the
> > > > > reference
> > > > > > to "that Mary woman" was enough.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > First, lets leave personal issues aside from the list as
some
> > > of us
> > > > > find
> > > > > > this extremely offensive. Secondly, most on the board
attempt to
> > > > > offer
> > > > > > something constructive. I am not saying all are good and
do not
> > > > > warrant
> > > > > > criticism or challenge but in your case you do nothing to
> > > further
> > > > > the
> > > > > > discussion other than launch a few over used statistical
> > > phrases and
> > > > > > satirical remarks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lets face it.to have a truly in statistically significant
system
> > > > > the number
> > > > > > of observations required would be a couple of lifetimes. I
> > > > > personally don't
> > > > > > care to wait that long so I play the best odds my systems
will
> > > give.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Last, if I wanted to read or listen to another talking
head I
> > > would
> > > > > just
> > > > > > flip on CNBC. Either offer something constructive or
leave us
> > > alone.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Duke
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: jeff97_98_1998 [mailto:jprroth@x...]
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 9:35 AM
> > > > > > To: realtraders@xxxx
> > > > > > Subject: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Karen,
> > > > > > I don't believe in Elliott Wave,
> > > > > > BUT I do use a lotta Gerri Curl.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Put 20 Elliott Believers in a room,
> > > > > > give them the same chart, and you will get
> > > > > > 20 different wave counts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kinda like a Rorschach Ink Blot Test.
> > > > > > Can also throw in a rusty water stain on a chruch wall,
> > > > > > resembling that "Mary" woman.
> > > > > > The mind is a terrible thing to trust.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > jeff
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In realtraders@xxxx, "Karen Beckwith" <hoticetea@xxxx>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Jeff:
> > > > > > > Looking for a holy grail? Have u ever looked into the
EW3
> > > > > (Elliott
> > > > > > Wave)
> > > > > > > software? I can't find anyone who uses it, but it
sounds
> > > awfully
> > > > > > good.
> > > > > > > Anyone here familiar w/ EW3?
> > > > > > > best wishes,
> > > > > > > karen
> > > > > > > ps - May the force be with you.
> > > > > > > :>)
> > > > > > > :>)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "jeff97_98_1998" <jprroth@xxxx>
> > > > > > > To: <realtraders@xxxx>
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 9:50 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "If one tries to fight these forces they will be
destroyed.
> > > If
> > > > > one
> > > > > > > > can unite and redirect these forces to
> > > > > > > > ones advantage, one should be able to progress quite
> > > swiftly."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sounds like a re-run of Kung Fu.
> > > > > > > > Grasshopper, my son, be of unity with the universe.
> > > > > > > > Now catch this fly in my soup.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Please enlighten me, how does one unite and redirect
these
> > > > > forces
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > ones advantage?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > How do I redirect a drought in the midwest, terrorist
attack
> > > > > > crashing
> > > > > > > > the S & P , lumber import regulations vs. canadian
exports?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Fundamentals, schmundamentals, blah, blah.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have the force, the unity, the polarity...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Beam me up Scotty, for I have discovered how markets
> > > > > > > > work, yet I waste my time trolling for fish.
> > > > > > > > Why is that?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In realtraders@xxxx, "Norman Winski"
<nwinski@xxxx>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Reinar,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > From one sailor to another, when one's sailboat
hits a
> > > sand
> > > > > > bar,
> > > > > > > > that's
> > > > > > > > > called running a ground and that's not a good thing.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I know it's time for me to take a vacation. Your
sailing
> > > > > > metaphor
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > starting to make sense to me.<G> Seriously, I
agree that
> > > > > > sailing
> > > > > > > > is a good
> > > > > > > > > analogy for trading, but not for the reasons you
have
> > > stated.
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > > sailing is a good analogy for trading because in
order to
> > > be
> > > > > > > > successful, one
> > > > > > > > > must join with the huge natural forces at work. If
one
> > > tries
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > fight these
> > > > > > > > > forces they will be destroyed. If one can unite and
> > > redirect
> > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > forces to
> > > > > > > > > ones advantage, one should be able to progress quite
> > > swiftly.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Gann fans - the ideal position to attain maximum
speed
> > > is to
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > the sail
> > > > > > > > > at a 45 degree angle to the wind.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Nautically,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Norman
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "reinar2020" <reinar2020@xxxx>
> > > > > > > > > To: <realtraders@xxxx>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 12:33 AM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [RT] forecasting-track record
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Elk
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Not only will I continue to use sailing as a
metaphor
> > > but I
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > expand the use. There are several reasons. Selling
> > > to "the
> > > > > > > > traders"
> > > > > > > > > > market is too limiting and more imortant.... If
you can
> > > > > think
> > > > > > > > like a
> > > > > > > > > > sailor you can think like a profitable
trader......
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If you have ever been sailing you would know that
it is
> > > kind
> > > > > > of a
> > > > > > > > > > zen like experience where you have a very specific
> > > focus.
> > > > > All
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > BS
> > > > > > > > > > that is provided by the media etc is gone.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > There are other advantages. Any monkey can draw an
> > > Andrews
> > > > > > line
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > if you read his totally incomplete "free" 60 page
> > > lit.... at
> > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > time there are at least 20 or so that come in
tomorrow.
> > > So
> > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > ones do you use? Rather than take the standard
approach
> > > of
> > > > > > here
> > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > the lines .....let get overwhelmed with stuff
that is
> > > > > > useless.....
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I will focus upon about 3 kinds of sand bars and a
> > > marker.
> > > > > > > > > > I did something similar in Vienna seminars and the
> > > sucess
> > > > > > rate of
> > > > > > > > > > the students over a long time period was very
high.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Focus upon the chicken ( the end result.. you
really
> > > want )
> > > > > > not on
> > > > > > > > > > the eggs.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We look for 4 things...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 1) sand bars (support and resistance lines) where
prices
> > > > > stop
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > bar or 2 and then go through
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 2) sand bars where prices go through and then go
back
> > > to it
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > touch
> > > > > > > > > > it before continuing in the proper direction
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > (the above are very handy for adding on positions
or
> > > getting
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > definable risk....the other side of the sand bar
line)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 3) and finally sand bars that are likely to
produce a
> > > > > > tradeable
> > > > > > > > > > pivot ....like i pointed out on thursday in an
email I
> > > sent
> > > > > > out.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 4) and then how to find markers (probable future
pivot
> > > > > points)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Now instead of learning how to draw all of those
silly
> > > lines
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > learned how to draw lines that produced the
> > > > > > above .......wouldn't
> > > > > > > > > > Andrews really work .....and very easily at that?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Oh by the way did you ever learn what the
Andrews "ROS"
> > > line
> > > > > > was?
> > > > > > > > > > Hint....its a sand bar.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > > > R
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In realtraders@xxxx, Infernal Elk
<infernalelk@xxxx>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> John either you are blind or you faded the
> > > forecast.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> ...or does north mean go short to you?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> R
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > maybe if you spoke in market terms rather than
cryptic
> > > > > > pseudo-
> > > > > > > > > > poetic
> > > > > > > > > > > "nautical" terms, people would understand you.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > if your desire is to communicate, then do so
> > > CLEARLY. if
> > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > > desire
> > > > > > > > > > > is to tease and to draw people in to buy your
product
> > > > > > you'll do
> > > > > > > > > > better
> > > > > > > > > > > to speak clearly as well.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > we're not sailors. we're traders.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > - *lk
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
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