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this bring back memories
(when beans were at 15 year low and other goodies coffee copper etc
this is also how I trade
wait for the extremes
(not on the 39 min bar or the 78 min bar
but the vix at 34 day high
the vnx at 34 day high
the qqq at 34 day low
up/co at 34 day high
and putting all parts of the puzzle together,
nice week end
Ben
----- Original Message -----
From: "Norman Winski" <nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <gannsghost@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [gannsghost] Re: Time and Numerology
>
> Today was a good example of how being patient and using bigger profit
> parameters, one could make their month in a day or two. If you didn't
> notice, we just had a $50+ swing in the S&P 500 in two days. What does
this
> say to you about trying to make 2.25 on a trade? Given that 50 is 22.22
> times 50, it says to me that I only have to catch one big move per month
to
> make up for grunting out more than 22 2.25 trades per month.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Norman
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "doxholidaze" <doxholidaze@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <gannsghost@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 3:52 PM
> Subject: [gannsghost] Re: Time and Numerology
>
>
> > Sean,
> >
> > Exactly! My goal is to take money out of the market each day. Not
> > your money, somebodies outside the list. I'd be the 1st to admit I
> > don't have a methodology for trading twice a month and making a
> > living. I'm absolutely sure others do. Early on, I once tracked VRSN
> > on a GANN hexagon for 3 months moving from ~$85 to ~$25 and I knew
> > the "proved" low would be like $25 on a given date and I knew
> > it "should" rise back to like $65 or so. Well, it hit 25.75 like two
> > days early [mind you I'd been waiting for months] and I couldn't make
> > myself buy it. Two or three days later it was @ $30 and I couldn't
> > buy it, waiting for it to give me another chance. It never did, and I
> > never bought it as it went through 40, then 50 then 60. Now somewhere
> > around there I new the upside target was like $65 so I shorted it
> > there and got out when it hit $68, taking my loss, and then it turned
> > down and I watched it drop down to $40. So I changed my style,
> > developed some tools, and use something daily that works for me and
> > the way I'm wired.
> >
> > You too, have a great weekend. Does that mean your shutting down.
> >
> > Dox
> >
> > --- In gannsghost@xxxx, "huntswh" <shwh@xxxx> wrote:
> > > Stuart,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the spreadsheet. One of the biggest questions I've
> > > struggled with is "how long a memory does the market have" - and in
> > > this, I'm asking in reference to both time and price? Is there
> > > greater validity in projecting further and further out from a H or
> > L
> > > or is it more accurate to begin a new projection from a more recent
> > H
> > > & L? For those of us who are trying to take short term swing
> > profits
> > > out of the markets, I suspect that Dox's Daily & Weekly squares
> > make
> > > a great deal of sense.
> > >
> > > I'm not suggesting that longer term projections aren't valid but
> > > depending on one's individual trading window, I'm not sure how
> > useful
> > > they actually are. Of course, you could also focus on the places
> > > where there's a confluence of both the long and short term?
> > >
> > > have a great weekend.
> > >
> > > Sean
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hey Sean
> > > >
> > > > Another little spreadsheet for you in answer to your post below.
> > I
> > > have based it on Wednesday's low in the SPX cash, details kindly
> > > provided by Dox. I have adjusted the column D for holiday and
> > > weekends. I'm interested to see how it pans out.
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately, a lot of them finish outside of trading hours, at
> > > least for the cash.
> > > >
> > > > Livecharts won't let me see clearly now, but the one @ 11:42 and
> > > the one @ 12:40 on Wednesday look like theymight have been hits?
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Stuart
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: huntswh
> > > > To: gannsghost@xxxx
> > > > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 1:37 AM
> > > > Subject: [gannsghost] Re: Time and Numerology
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hey Dox,
> > > >
> > > > Just back from a run in the beautiful CA sunshine. I find that
> > I
> > > > often do some of my best thinking during that time - the rhythm
> > > of my
> > > > breathing and all that oxygen seems to stimulate the "right"
> > side
> > > of
> > > > the brain. Anyway, I had some thoughts about the connection
> > > between
> > > > my work with "time" and your "trading squares" that I would
> > like
> > > to
> > > > share.
> > > >
> > > > As I laid out in my previous message, if 36 minutes = 45
> > degrees
> > > of
> > > > time, then price & time are both simply "vibrations" that have
> > a
> > > > relationship of both .8 and 1.25 to each other. (36/45 or
> > > 45/36). If
> > > > this is true, then my first "ah-ha" is that 1.25 is very close
> > to
> > > > 1.27 which we know is the ^ of 1.618. My conclusion from this
> > is
> > > > that at each 9, 18, 36, 72, 144, 288 etc. minute intervals from
> > a
> > > > Swing H or L, time & price reach some sort of fib/golden ratio
> > to
> > > > each other.
> > > >
> > > > My primary trading interest is the S&P, and I've been doing it
> > > for
> > > > over 10 years now. I'm one of those short term intraday
> > traders
> > > that
> > > > Norman derides, but I've found that catching multiple small
> > > swings
> > > > each day can be extremely profitable. For some time I've
> > noticed
> > > how
> > > > the price swings in the S&P move in 2.25 increments -
> > > cumulatively
> > > > it's 2.25, 4.5, 6.75, 9, 11.25, 13.5, 15.75, 18, 20.25, 22.5,
> > > 24.75,
> > > > 27, points etc. Strangely enough all of these numbers reduce
> > to
> > > > a "9" as also do the number of tics that price has to move to
> > > reach
> > > > each of those levels. (I.E. 6.75pts = 27 tics = "9").
> > > >
> > > > Coincidence? - I don't think so, but I'd like to hear comments
> > > from
> > > > you and others.
> > > >
> > > > all the best,
> > > >
> > > > Sean
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Norman,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you for some very interesting background on Gann,
> > Jensen,
> > > &
> > > > > Livermore. My info about Gann, Jensen, and Johndro came from
> > an
> > > > > article in the "Mountain Astrologer" but from what you've
> > > writen,
> > > > the
> > > > > author was incorrect. BTW, I believe the hotel in New York
> > > where
> > > > > Jesse Livermore met his demise was the Sherry Netherland.
> > > > >
> > > > > regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Sean
> > > > >
> > > > > "Norman Winski" <nwinski@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > Hey Sean,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jensen never worked with Gann or knew Gann. He knew of
> > Gann
> > > but
> > > > > didn't
> > > > > > think much of him. This Jensen - Gann myth started because
> > > Billy
> > > > > Jones via
> > > > > > Lambert-Gann hired Jensen to do an annual forecast that
> > they
> > > > > published.
> > > > > > Jensen knew Jesse Livermore. Jensen told me that after
> > > Livermore
> > > > > went broke
> > > > > > in the 29 crash (ironically Livermore was famous as a bear
> > > raider
> > > > > and really
> > > > > > got creamed on the 1930 bear market rally) Jensen help to
> > put
> > > > > together a
> > > > > > $50,000 syndicate of investors for Livermore. This was
> > about
> > > > 1934.
> > > > > Livermore
> > > > > > went on to lose all of the money. Jensen was pxxx off to
> > say
> > > the
> > > > > least, and
> > > > > > still mad 45 years later when I talked to him. Some time
> > > after
> > > > > 1934,
> > > > > > Livermore, having lost that "living feeling", walked into
> > the
> > > > > > Sherry-Hetherington<sp?> Hotel in NY for a "shot", ordered
> > a
> > > > > drank, went to
> > > > > > the bathroom, and never came out alive. As for Jensen being
> > > > trained
> > > > > by
> > > > > > Johndro, I don't know, but given Jensen's huge ego, I doubt
> > > he
> > > > > would have
> > > > > > ever admitted to being trained by anyone. However, I know
> > > someone
> > > > > who worked
> > > > > > in the same office with Jensen and next time I talk to him,
> > I
> > > > will
> > > > > ask him
> > > > > > about if Jensen had any connection with Johndro.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Norman.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "huntswh" <shwh@xxxx>
> > > > > > To: <gannsghost@xxxx>
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 5:07 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [gannsghost] Re: Time and Numerology
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hey Dox,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I start with the 1st "9" after the open or 9:36 EST. I
> > > think
> > > > it's
> > > > > > > very interesting that 576 ((60 * 9) + 36) is also
> > > > the "vibration"
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > DO in the musical scale! :-) Also interesting that the
> > > > > squareroot of
> > > > > > > 936 is 24 even & (360/24 = 15 degrees). I've read that
> > Gann
> > > and
> > > > > his
> > > > > > > astrologers (Jensen, who was in turn trained by Johndro)
> > > > > identified
> > > > > > > 15 degree intervals as important for time and price.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks again for all that you've so generously shared
> > with
> > > the
> > > > > group
> > > > > > > and Happy 4th.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sean
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks for that. I believe it was you (not sure which
> > > message
> > > > > right
> > > > > > > > now) who talked about 9 before and I shared that my
> > > intraday
> > > > > 3min
> > > > > > > > trading squares were based on 9, and of course the 10th
> > > > period
> > > > > out
> > > > > > > > (predicted price @ 10:00 [see previous messages])ends @
> > > 10:03
> > > > > which
> > > > > > > > would equal (10*60)+3 = 603 = 9. I like that. Gives me
> > > some
> > > > > ideas.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Any thoughts on where they might start, perhaps 3?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks again,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dox
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In gannsghost@xxxx, "huntswh" <shwh@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Stuart,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Here's a technique that works well for me and you
> > might
> > > > give
> > > > > it a
> > > > > > > > > try. When you convert bar times to minutes, you'll
> > > discover
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > most
> > > > > > > > > swings end on bars that total to a "9".
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Example: On a 3m chart, the 15:33 bar closes at
> > 15:36
> > > > (these
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > > EST
> > > > > > > > > times). 15:36 converts to 936 by multiplying the
> > hour
> > > * 60
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > adding the minutes. (15 * 60) + 36 = 936 and 9 + 3 +
> > 6
> > > =
> > > > 18 =
> > > > > > > 9.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > FWIW, it's often been speculated that Gann used
> > > Numerology
> > > > as
> > > > > > > much
> > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > Astrology in his work - although I'm not sure the two
> > > are
> > > > > really
> > > > > > > > > seperable?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Many thanks to you and Dox for all that you've
> > > generously
> > > > > shared
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > this group.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sean
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Stuart
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > From: huntswh
> > > > > > > > > > To: gannsghost@xxxx
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 8:23 PM
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [gannsghost] Re: SPX_TSq_724
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hey Stuart,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The one by Jim Maynard is the one I use and yes,
> > > you'd
> > > > > want
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > guide
> > > > > > > > > > for 2002 and then 2003 when it's available. I
> > > suspect
> > > > if
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > order
> > > > > > > > > > it, the only one available now would be 2002 -
> > for
> > > > access
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > past
> > > > > > > > > > astro data you'd usually buy an ephemeris. The
> > > > advantage
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > using
> > > > > > > > > > the "Celestial Guide" is that the "aspects" are
> > > > indicated
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > each
> > > > > > > > > > day of the year with the time of exactness - with
> > > the
> > > > > > > > Ephemeris,
> > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > have to figure them out from the listed planetary
> > > data.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > all the best,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Sean
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > In gannsghost@xxxx, "Stuart D Johnstone"
> > > <stuart@xxxx>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Sean
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Sorry about this. I have searched Yahoo
> > > > for "celestial
> > > > > > > > guide",
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > it came up with hundreds, so I went to Amazon.
> > > There
> > > > were
> > > > > > > > quite
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > few in there too, but the one you may be
> > referring
> > > to is
> > > > > > > > probably
> > > > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > > > Jim Maynard published by Quicksilver. The
> > > confusing
> > > > thing
> > > > > > > is,
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > version they are selling is called "Jim Maynard's
> > > > > Celestial
> > > > > > > > Guide
> > > > > > > > > > 1999: Eastern and Pacific Time" and was published
> > > 1998.
> > > > > > > Should
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > looking for a 2002 edition?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > > > > Stuart
> > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > > From: huntswh
> > > > > > > > > > > To: gannsghost@xxxx
> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 10:39 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [gannsghost] Re: SPX_TSq_724
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Stuart,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The $5.00 book is called a yearly "Celestial
> > > Guide"
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > has all pertinent astro data (aspects,
> > > ingresses,
> > > > > etc.)
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > weekly
> > > > > > > > > > > calendar format. The time that Norman was
> > > > > > > > > somewhat "mystical"
> > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > was simply Moon sextile (60 degrees) Mercury
> > > which
> > > > > > > occurred
> > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > 3:24pm
> > > > > > > > > > > U.S. Eastern Time.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You should be able to find the guide at
> > almost
> > > any
> > > > > book
> > > > > > > > > store -
> > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > least you can here in the U.S. If not, you
> > can
> > > > order
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > online
> > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > www.astrocom.com or Amazon may offer it also.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > best regards,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Sean
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In gannsghost@xxxx, "Stuart D Johnstone"
> > > > > > > <stuart@xxxx>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Norman
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I'm assuming you're talking about an
> > > ephemeris,
> > > > but
> > > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > > tell
> > > > > > > > > > us
> > > > > > > > > > > what it is that this particular low
> > represents.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Stuart
> > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > > > From: Norman Winski
> > > > > > > > > > > > To: gannsghost@xxxx
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 11:07 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [gannsghost] Re: SPX_TSq_724
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > > > From: Stuart D Johnstone
> > > > > > > > > > > > To: gannsghost@xxxx
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 3:13 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [gannsghost] Re:
> > SPX_TSq_724
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Dox
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > SPX up 180 now, is it going to collapse
> > > into
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > close?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes
> > > > > > > > > > > > Stuart,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sep. E-Mini pulled back to a 3:22 PM
> > > low, as
> > > > > > > > > expected,
> > > > > > > > > > just 2
> > > > > > > > > > > minutes before my 3:24 PM target time which
> > was
> > > > > within $1
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > low.
> > > > > > > > > > > The kewl thing about today is that you didn't
> > > need
> > > > any
> > > > > > > > fancy
> > > > > > > > > > computer
> > > > > > > > > > > program for this. You could get this out of a
> > > $5
> > > > book
> > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > gives
> > > > > > > > > > > times for the entire year. Anyway, for better
> > > or
> > > > > worse,
> > > > > > > > here
> > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > the 1
> > > > > > > > > > > min. bar.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > > > From: doxholidaze
> > > > > > > > > > > > To: gannsghost@xxxx
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 5:49 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [gannsghost] Re: SPX_TSq_724
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 12:45 (SPX) is opening right at the
> > 55
> > > after
> > > > > > > > closing
> > > > > > > > > @,
> > > > > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > > > below
> > > > > > > > > > > > and now decision time.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Dox
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In gannsghost@xxxx, "gk"
> > > <garyk106@xxxx>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dox, Maybe by adding more data
> > then,
> > > it
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > > give
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > effect
> > > > > > > > > > > > of "backing up", and leaving all of
> > > your
> > > > > current
> > > > > > > > > angles,
> > > > > > > > > > > circles,
> > > > > > > > > > > > etc. where they are....
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > gk
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > > > > From: doxholidaze
> > > > > > > > > > > > > To: gannsghost@xxxx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002
> > > 12:04 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [gannsghost] Re:
> > > SPX_TSq_724
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > GK,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, the chart is scaled and
> > > zooming
> > > > > screws
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > up.
> > > > > > > > > > > Trying to
> > > > > > > > > > > > show
> > > > > > > > > > > > > just the weekly square part. I
> > > could
> > > > get
> > > > > rid
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > indicators
> > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > rescale. You want it bigger, or
> > > more
> > > > data?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dox
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In gannsghost@xxxx, "gk"
> > > > > <garyk106@xxxx>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trace, I appreciate your
> > charts
> > > and
> > > > > work.
> > > > > > > > Is
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > possible to
> > > > > > > > > > > > zoom
> > > > > > > > > > > > > out one click ? IMHO, it appears
> > a
> > > > little
> > > > > > > > close
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > grasp, for me
> > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway. If not, I understand....
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > TIA, gk
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stuart,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Weekly SPX attached in case
> > > that
> > > > will
> > > > > > > help
> > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > create
> > > > > > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > > > > chart.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm still thinking you have a lot
> > > of
> > > > > patience
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > doing
> > > > > > > > > > > this by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > hand! Watch a little after 12:45
> > > for the
> > > > > > > > 21/21X.
> > > > > > > > > In
> > > > > > > > > > > normal
> > > > > > > > > > > > vibration
> > > > > > > > > > > > > you would expect price to be @
> > or
> > > > pulled
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > 21/21X
> > > > > > > > > > > price
> > > > > > > > > > > > level,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > as you saw in the DOW chart last
> > > week.
> > > > > That
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > norm.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, as I've said, I
> > really
> > > > > dislike
> > > > > > > > > trading
> > > > > > > > > > > shortened
> > > > > > > > > > > > weeks.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reference DOW . . . notice
> > last
> > > > week's
> > > > > > > > square
> > > > > > > > > low
> > > > > > > > > > > turn was
> > > > > > > > > > > > never
> > > > > > > > > > > > > hit (8912) and we are just there
> > > now.
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