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Perhaps the only rules that apply now are Yahoo's and rules are of no use
unless enforced. Without a moderator there is no enforcement. Thus the
essence of Yahoo's rules is Yahoo!...one big free for all with unlimited
servings of spam. A daily barrage of "come with me offline and I'll feed
you and make you calm like my other clients" would not appear to be in
keeping with the RT policies of learning online in a public forum. Whether
there is a fee associated or not, these types of messages lean towards that
of an advertising nature. PSYCH, as pointed out in John's earlier posting
is a valid topic heading, but the content below it needs to be more than an
advertisment of one's offline services and rantings on "closed minds".
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Here is another of John's final messages before turning realtraders onto
autopilot.
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 5:50 PM
Subject: [RT] ADMIN Advertising Policy 1/23/00
As many of you know, we have had a little bit of a problem in the
recent past regarding a member(s) who were blatantly advertising a
product through the RealTrader's Email Forum. We apologize to all our
members who have had to read such posts and the subsequent follow-up
messages. Therefore, in an attempt to avoid such situations in the
future, please read the below messages regarding advertising.
Please note, these policies were first written nearly 3 years ago
(with only a slight change in verbiage) but still apply today.
Thank you,
John Boggio - RT Moderator
PS The below message is broken up into two parts.
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Part I
RealTraders:
If you sell a trading related product of some kind and are a
participant in these discussions on RealTraders, please refrain from
using this forum as a way to sell your product without first reading our
Advertising Guideline To Vendors (see below). A violation of our
advertising policy could result in a termination your membership in this
Forum.
Now we don't want to create an atmosphere of paranoia with respect to
subtle differences when it comes to the method of posting such messages
to the Forum. But we can't help but notice the number of complaints we
have received from RealTrading members. This is incredibly unfair to the
other vendors/members on this list who follow both the letter and spirit
of our policy and we commend those vendors for their restraint.
Anyway, if you're a member who wants this discussion to stay clean of
advertising, then please support our efforts by letting us know about
blatant attempts to bypass our advertising policies. Further, to those
vendors who we continually receive complaints about, you will be
notified of such and this will act as a warning to you. If we continue
to receive subsequent complaints, we will be forced to remove you from
our Forum.
PART II - Guidelines to the Vendors
RealTraders,
In an attempt to accommodate all members (and vendors) in this Forum,
we have created
guidelines to assist RealTraders who are genuinely trying to educate
the members of this
Forum about a methodology, system, or software program that is for sale
or has the potential to be
sold. The reason for this is that we don't want to snuff out
information that RealTrading members may find useful, just because there
is a commercial product associated with it.
Therefore, here is our policy about commercialism in RealTraders:
1) No one is allowed to post blatant commercial messages on RealTraders.
There is, nor will there be any change to this rule, in the future.
2) Very Important: Since RealTraders is about traders educating and
learning from each other, the ban on commercial messages should not
impinge upon the flow of information that is potentially educational.
Therefore, you can post messages of an educational nature, whether or
not you have a product
associated with it, as long as you maintain the intent of educating
people and/or communicating useful information. However, please read
point #3 directly below as to the only acceptable method of making
reference to your product or service.
3. YOUR METHOD OF INFORMING OTHER REALTRADERS ABOUT YOUR PRODUCT OR
SERVICE IS THROUGH THE ADDRESS OF YOUR HOMEPAGE (URL LINK). THIS URL
SHOULD SIMPLY BE PLACED BELOW YOUR SIGNATURE AND NO REFERENCE SHOULD BE
MADE TO IT OR YOUR PRODUCT OR SERVICE. WE HAVE AN INTELLIGENT GROUP OF
TRADERS IN THIS FORUM, AND THEY ARE SMART ENOUGH TO GO TO THE URL IF
THEY WANT FURTHER INFORMATION.
If you wish to post messages on RealTraders which refer to a product
or service that you have available for sale, but you're not sure whether
you're falling within the guidelines, here are some tips to follow
before hitting the send button:
1) Always try to post signals from your system on RealTraders, IN
ADVANCE OF THE EXPECTED MOVE, or give a current market analysis of your
projection. That is information that many members will find useful and
interesting. But remember, you must remain educational with respect to
your forecast/analysis.
2) You must describe your methodology. How does it work? How can other
people apply it right now? Keeping in mind that you are trying to
educate us. Suggestion, consider writing up an explanation of your
methodology or "How to use and interpret it" and include it at the
bottom of your post.
3) Important: If your product is a 'BLACK BOX' type, whose methodology
you don't want to reveal, then DON'T bother talking about it on
RealTraders. Doing so will constitute a blatant advertisement.
4) Be factual and quantitative in describing your methodology. Don't use
a lot of adjectives or hyperbole which are telltale signs of commercial
posts.
5) Be coldly objective and point out both the pros and cons. If you tell
us only what's good about your methodology, then you sound like you're
trying to sell us something. Tell us the drawbacks and what we have to
be careful about as well. (You will get more respect from everybody if
you do this anyway).
6) Past performance statistics are the fuel that propels most system
advertising; much of it is B.S. Therefore, you aren't doing us a big
favor by featuring it in your post. You will impress us, however, if you
post real time signals!
7) Rule of thumb: The amount of practical and useful information, or
lack thereof, in your post is inversely proportional to the probability
that your message will be viewed as being commercial in nature.
NOTE: Members who reply to vendors have an important role to play as
well. If individuals become curious and seek more information regarding
a product, please begin/continue your discussions with that individual
using THE PRIVATE EMAIL CHANNELS. Thus keeping any "sales" communication
off of RealTraders.
So essentially what does all this mean. If you are a vendor, you are
going to have to be willing to share, educate and instruct your fellow
members on RealTraders with respect to your methodology and forecasts.
This includes being open about what indicator or oscillators you are
using and how one would interpret them. This might not sound fair but
then again this Forum is privately owned and you are essentially getting
free publicity, but at a price of being more open then you have ever
been regarding your system or service. And then, all you get to do is
list your URL link below your name. In return, you get to educate your
fellow traders in hopes that they will some day buy or join your
service. No teasers of any sort will be allowed. Be willing to share or
don't bother trying to sell your product in this Forum!
Finally, since there is a constant addition to the members list of
RealTraders, we will be reposting this message on a regular basis.=20
Thank you,
John Boggio
Hyrum Paulsen
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