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at least you have a written plan
enter price
stop loss price
profit target price
good day
Ben
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Thompson" <detomps@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [RT] S&P Day Trading
> Hi Ben,
> Thanks for the compliment. :) Getting there, slowly.. but getting there.
> I have worked alot on entry the next phase is managing and holding on.
> I failed today to have a target for my buy at 1148.25, stop 1146.25. so
> frittered my entry.. but that is where I am at.
> Entry, Stop Target..
>
> Don Thompson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "profitok" <profitok@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 2:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [RT] S&P Day Trading
>
>
> > hello Don
> > My god ,,
> > I now believe you Finally got it all together,,
> > and on your way to a GREAT success,,
> > keep up the good work,,
> > stay in THIS course!!
> > nice day
> > Ben
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Don Thompson" <detomps@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 8:17 PM
> > Subject: [RT] S&P Day Trading
> >
> >
> > > Ron,
> > >
> > > One book that deals with geometric ratios other than the Fibonacci
> > Series.
> > > Here in you will
> > > discover that there is more to life than .618 and .382.
> > > Square Root 2, 3, and 5 and the reciprocals and the expanding and
> > > contracting of the series.
> > >
> > > Bryce Gilmore's first book ( Market Geometry) is a pretty apt
> description
> > of
> > > the numbers and ratios that are out there that a freely
> > > traded market will work to. Gilmore is the one who brought the .786
> > > retracement to view for traders.
> > > It is left to you to see how it all fits together. So you have a bit
of
> > work
> > > cut out if you don't have a utility to calculate it easily. In ES
such
> > > geometry works really good.
> > >
> > > His third book, Trading With an Edge, is a pretty good book about how
he
> > > thinks, basically he uses his expertise
> > > in time and price to figure good guess as to current trend in the
> market,
> > > but when it comes to trading it is all
> > > pattern and low risk entry. His main point is to find those trades
with
> > low
> > > risk and load the boat, since they never
> > > come back on you. He doesn't hold over night. Also his method is
pretty
> > > much pure price with no indicators, just
> > > the chart.
> > >
> > > A good example in ES is in the gif. the scale is the current days
> range
> > > at about 1:30,
> > > the point is that traders on the second rally at 1:30 sold at 1163.50
> > limit.
> > > The buy stop is one tick above 1164.00 or
> > > 1164.25. So you only risk 3/4 of a point to figure if you are right or
> you
> > > are wrong. This is a low risk entry and
> > > is a discretionary kind of thing, as far as I know. This is one that
> will
> > > come back on you, but the internals were
> > > pretty grim so probably not. The biggest thing is to be around
> successful
> > > traders who are making money in the market
> > > that you want to trade! It will be really inspiring, and as you
watch
> > them
> > > work the market, you begin to see that it can be done.
> > >
> > > Don Thompson
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jim Johnson" <jejohn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: "Ron Cernokus" <roncer@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Cc: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 7:17 PM
> > > Subject: Re[2]: [RT] S&P Day Trading
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hello Ron,
> > > >
> > > > couple of ideas for you--
> > > >
> > > > I trade intraday SP's and have found I've learned most about
patterns
> > > > from:
> > > >
> > > > Teresa Lo of www.trendvue.com. her chat room is OK for a while.
her
> > > > Trader's Manual is very well written, clear, stripped of jargon and
> > > > fluff. good stuff on simple patterns and how she trades them.
> > > >
> > > > Linda Raschke course (expensive) is very good for that. the
> > > > StreetSmarts book is only fair for that purpose.
> > > >
> > > > Joe Ross's book Trading as a Business has some good stuff but is
very
> > > > overpriced i think. his setup patterns are probably better
explained
> > > > and used by T Lo above.
> > > >
> > > > Nisson or Morris for candlestick formations. a few basic ones are
all
> > > > lyou need.
> > > >
> > > > Ultimate Trading Guide by Hill, Pruitt and Hill is very good for
> > > > patterns in the first half of the book especially.
> > > >
> > > > Although not geared to patterns only, Trader Vic by Vick Sperandeo
has
> > > > some good stuff.
> > > >
> > > > I've just begun Alan Farley's Mater Swing Trader but it promises to
be
> > > > very helpful.
> > > >
> > > > The one thing I've noticed is that after you strip away all the cute
> > > > names etc, many of these chart patterns are old as the markets.
Many
> > > > of these current authors are repeating, with the help of
easy-to-make
> > > > charts the same stuff old timers like Schabacker, Sklarew, Wyckoff,
> > > > Kerr, Dunnigan, Dow described earl in the 20th century.
Candlesticks
> > > > are even older.
> > > >
> > > > If I could buy only one, it would be Teresa Lo's manual.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Jim Johnson
mailto:jejohn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >
> > > > Wednesday, March 20, 2002, 6:47:16 PM, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > RC> Don,
> > > >
> > > > RC> I also trade in the discretionary style you mentioned here.
> However
> > I
> > > > RC> feel the need for better short term pattern recognition skills.
> Is
> > > > RC> there any text that you or other discretionary traders might
like
> to
> > > > RC> recommend for short term pattern recognition. Comments
> appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > RC> Ron
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > RC> Don Thompson wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> John,
> > > > >> Your first catostrophic stop loss is $3000 or 12 S&P Points?
> Whew..
> > > that
> > > > >> takes alot of balls to trade that level of
> > > > >> a stop. My inclination is to get it down to two points or so..
no
> > more
> > > than
> > > > >> that. I can see you might have to make
> > > > >> a system do this kind of stop loss if you aren't looking at the
> > actual
> > > > >> prices during the day trading it. The
> > > > >> day traders I know who are successful don't have more than a 2
> point
> > > stop
> > > > >> loss and when in doubt they get out
> > > > >> at 1 or .50 at best. But they are purely discretionary traders
that
>
> > > work off
> > > > >> of price and pattern.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Don Thompson
> > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> From: "profitok" <profitok@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >> To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 1:52 PM
> > > > >> Subject: Re: [RT] S&P Day Trading
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > hello john
> > > > >> > I can not see how you can make money if your profit objective
is
> > > SMALLER
> > > > >> > than your stop loss
> > > > >> > nice day
> > > > >> > Ben
> > > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> > From: "John Cappello" <jvc689@xxxxxxx>
> > > > >> > To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 6:44 AM
> > > > >> > Subject: [RT] S&P Day Trading
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > My system has not performed at max this year so far and I am
> > doing
> > > > >> > > adjustments to current market conditions mainly related to
> > > psychology
> > > > >> > > of the market and ranges. I am still trading it at a low
> contract
> > > > >> > > levels 5% of asset allocation. After debugged will step up.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Adjustments being made.........entry and exits not limited to
> > Level
> > > 2
> > > > >> > > and 3 Supports and Resistance.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Widen trading ranges..............expected today [1179 to
1183]
> > > sell
> > > > >> > > points [1165 to 1169] buy points. No trade if total range
> beyond
> > > > >> > > 1183 to 1165 at open.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > My personal stops are $3000 ; min profit target $2000 ;
> trailing
> > > stop
> > > > >> > > once $1500 profit reached is $750 ; MOC or OCO if tweaked.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > John
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
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