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Hi All,
 
First let me apologize for my last post, the first 
chart was incorrect.  Somehow the second chart, which was correct, 
overwrote the first when I copied it into the e-mail.
 
The chart below is correct and based on the 
statement Ben sent (also attached).  Unfortunately he was less 
than truthful in his original explanation of his trade, unless I am misreading 
something.
 
He originally stated that he bought Feb 37 puts 
when actually it was a March 36.  More importantly, he originally stated 
that he sold March 39 call however the statement shows he sold a June 
37 call.  This is important because in the originally trade the 
puts would only need to be rolled once.  In reality, he will need to 
roll them in March, April, and May, which would negate any profit and probably 
create a loss.
 
If he closes out the trade early he could take a 
loss on the short calls or the QQQ and he might need to buy the long puts 
back, either way this substantially reduces his profit or might create a 
loss.
 
He could skip the April and May put roll over 
by buying June puts in March but he would pay a lot of time premium to do so, 
thus eliminating his profit or even creating a loss.  He could forgo the 
put rollout at March expiration and convert the trade to a covered call, 
but then he assumes considerable risk (in which case buying the original put was 
a waste of money).  Furthermore if he rolls the short calls out to collect 
more premium, it could make matters worse depending on when he does it (right 
now the next available month is Sept.)
 
IMHO there is a great probability that Ben will 
take a net loss on this trade.  Had he set it up as a covered call, 
a collar trade, or even his original covered call with one month put 
protection, he would have had a much better chance, but only time will 
tell.
 
Has he found the cash cow that will make us all 
rich?  Definitely NOT.
 
Good luck and good trading,
 
Ray Raffurty
 
 
 
 
 

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    <A 
      name=RANGE!A1:Q41>Deal Details:
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          <TD class=xl102 style="WIDTH: 52pt; HEIGHT: 15pt" width=69 
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    width=70> 
     
     
    4
    
    <TD class=xl44 style="WIDTH: 120pt; mso-ignore: colspan" width=159 
      colSpan=4>Analysis Parameters:
    
     
     
     
     
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    Stock price
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      name=RANGE!B2>35.35 
    
    Deal Date
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    Price in centre of 
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      name=RANGE!M2:M3>35.00
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      style="mso-spacerun: yes">     Days to 
    expiry:
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      style="mso-spacerun: yes">           
      71 
    
    
    
    
  
    Brokerage etc.
    (100)
    
    Deal Expiration
    6/21/2002
    Graph Increment:
    
    1.000
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Date:
    4/11/2002
    
    
    
    
  
    Volatility
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      name=RANGE!B4>30.00%
    
    Dividend:
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
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    Risk free rate
    <A 
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    Ex Date:
    
    
    
    Price Calculation 
      Model:
    
    
    
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    Calc Implied
  
    Option Trades:
    <TD class=xl96 style="BORDER-TOP: medium none; WIDTH: 52pt" 
      width=69>Action: Buy/Sell
    Type
    No. 
    Strike
    Implied Volatility
    Trade Expiry
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      width=69>Override Price
    Voltlty
    Expiry
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    Price used
    Calculated Optn Price
    Initital Deb/Cred
    Delta
    Status
    
    
    
    Volatility
  
    Option Trade 1
    <A 
    name=RANGE!B8:H12>S
    <A 
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    100
    <A 
      name=RANGE!E8:E12>37.00
     
    <TD class=xl85 style="BORDER-TOP: medium none" align=right 
      x:num="37428">6/21/2002
    3.70
    30.0%
    6/21/2002
    127
    3.7
    <A 
    name=RANGE!M8:M12>2.0925
    370 
    0.48
    Out' money
    
    
     
  
    Option Trade 2
    b
    p
    100
    36.00
     
    3/15/2002
    1.00
    30.0%
    3/15/2002
    29
    1
    1.4589
    (100)
    -0.55
    In' money
    
    
    
     
  
    Option Trade 3
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    30.0%
    6/21/2002
    <TD class=xl35 style="COLOR: white; mso-ignore: style" align=right 
      x:num>9999
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
     
  
    Option Trade 4
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    30.0%
    6/21/2002
    <TD class=xl35 style="COLOR: white; mso-ignore: style" align=right 
      x:num>9999
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
     
  
    Option Trade 5
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    30.0%
    6/21/2002
    <TD class=xl35 style="COLOR: white; mso-ignore: style" align=right 
      x:num>9999
    
    
    
     
     
    
    
    
     
  
    
    
    
    
    
    
      
      
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    270 
    Net:
    <SPAN 
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      170 
    
    
    
     
  
    Stock Trades:
    Action: Buy/Sell
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    <SPAN 
      style="mso-spacerun: yes"> Price 
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
    Stock Trade 1
    <A 
    name=RANGE!B15:D16>B
    100
    35.35
    
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          <TD class=xl65 style="WIDTH: 54pt; HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=right 
          width=72 height=17 x:num>35.35
    
    
    100
    
    
    
    
    <TD class=xl78 style="BORDER-TOP: medium none" align=right 
      x:num="-3535">(3,535)
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
    Stock Trade 2
     
     
     
    
    35.35
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
    <SPAN 
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    35.35
    
    
     
    
    
    
    
    
    <TD class=xl66 style="BORDER-RIGHT: blue 1pt solid; mso-ignore: colspan" 
    align=middle colSpan=2>Days to Expiry
    
    
    
    
  
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    100
    
    
    
    
    (3,535)
    <TD class=xl40 style="BORDER-RIGHT: blue 1pt solid; mso-ignore: colspan" 
    align=middle colSpan=2 x:num>71
    
    
    
    
  
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