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Topics in this digest:
1. IB Workstation install file! Help need!
From: rombeck@xxxxxxxxxxx
2. 2 months from 5 minutes?
From: ric ingram <ringram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
3. Hilbert?
From: ric ingram <ringram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
4. Re: Hilbert?
From: "BobR" <bobrabcd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
5. Re: IB Workstation install file! Help need!
From: Alex Bell <alex_bell@xxxxxxx>
6. RE: Hilbert?
From: "John Hall" <jrhall@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
7. Optionetics
From: "crazy12331 e reply" <crazy12331@xxxxxxxxxxx>
8. Re: Case for the bulls-Maybe there is a case for both the bulls and
the bears?
From: "Earl Adamy" <eadamy@xxxxxxxxxx>
9. Re: Case for the bulls-Maybe there is a case for both the bulls and
the bears?
From: "Dorothy K. Carter" <dorothy.carter@xxxxxxxx>
10. Re: Case for the bulls-Maybe there is a case for both the bulls and
the bears?
From: "Earl Adamy" <eadamy@xxxxxxxxxx>
11. Re: IB Workstation install file! Help need!
From: "snptrader" <snptrader@xxxxxxxxx>
12. Agency Treasury Spread
From: "Chris Cheatham" <chrischeatham@xxxxxxxxx>
13. Re: Agency Treasury Spread
From: ChasWaring <cwwaring@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
14. Re: Agency Treasury Spread
From: chrischeatham@xxxxxxxxx
15. Re: Hilbert?
From: "Mike Higgs" <moongateca@xxxxxxxxx>
16. Re: Case for the bulls-Maybe there is a case for both the bulls and
the bears?
From: BobsKC <bobskc@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
17. Re: IB Workstation install file! Help need!
From: rombeck@xxxxxxxxxxx
18. Re: Hilbert?
From: profitok <profitok@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
19. Fw: LowRisk.com Investor Sentiment -
From: profitok <profitok@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
20. Dec Bonds
From: Dorothy Carter <dorothy.carter@xxxxxxxx>
21. Economic Data Beginning to Hurt Dollar vs Majors
From: Dorothy Carter <dorothy.carter@xxxxxxxx>
22. Get down Loretta oohhhh EBAY
From: "Dorothy K. Carter" <dorothy.carter@xxxxxxxx>
23. Volume on EBAY..............
From: Dorothy Carter <dorothy.carter@xxxxxxxx>
24. Re: Volume on EBAY..............
From: "Earl Adamy" <eadamy@xxxxxxxxxx>
25. EBAY Chart......
From: "Dorothy K. Carter" <dorothy.carter@xxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:29:21 +0100
From: rombeck@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: IB Workstation install file! Help need!
Hi trading friends.
Has anyone an install file for the "old" IB Workstation. (not the java based
one).
I have lost my old one and IB only supports the new java based program.
Thank You and good trading
Roman
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:07:41 +0000
From: ric ingram <ringram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 2 months from 5 minutes?
Terry,
You wrote:
"IMHO, speaking only to the NDX, the bears are quietly, slowly
being squeezed hard. Unless some serious exogenous (external)
event occurs they seem about to have their heads handed to
them. Anthrax news has not been even nearly strong enough to
stop this. 5 min NASDAQ adv/decl volume bars have been clearly
bullish for a couple weeks. "
I am not suggesting your conclusions are valid, invalid or
in-between. Just querying the logic leading up to them.
I am probably misinterpreting or reading too much between the lines. You
appear to be using 5 minute data over two weeks to predict more than two
months ahead?
Based on your subsequent comments:
"But that's the beauty of day trading NDX futures. It means never having to
care which way the market goes so long as it moves 8-)."
Maybe it is just a case of 'forecasting-itis' - don't trade it, but can't
stop doing it.
Please clarify.
Trading with good feelings, Ric.
www.traderscalm.com
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:14:44 +0000
From: ric ingram <ringram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Hilbert?
Bob,
You wrote:
"Attached is another example in the third plot down of a dual stochastic
where one period is based on 0.5 of the Hilbert (Magenta) and the other is
based on 1.0 Hilbert period(Yellow). The idea was that if there is going to
be a trend change it might show up in the 0.5*Hilbert before the
1.0*Hilbert. Note the recent crossing of the Magenta below the Yellow,
possibly suggesting a topping phase? "
Please explain the 'Hilbert' - this is a new one on me.
Trading with good feelings, Ric.
www.traderscalm.com
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 04:36:30 -0800
From: "BobR" <bobrabcd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Hilbert?
That was short for Hilbert Period. It is covered in detail in several
Stocks and Commodities articles by John Ehlers of MESA fame. If you open
Clyde's code for the adaptive stochastic you can see how it is calculated.
It is a way of measuring the phase of an angle(0 to 360 degrees). In this
case it is the phase angle of a price cycle whose period changes. Maybe
Clyde can explain it better.
bobr
----- Original Message -----
From: ric ingram
To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 4:14 AM
Subject: [RT] Hilbert?
Bob,
You wrote:
"Attached is another example in the third plot down of a dual stochastic
where one period is based on 0.5 of the Hilbert (Magenta) and the other is
based on 1.0 Hilbert period(Yellow). The idea was that if there is going to
be a trend change it might show up in the 0.5*Hilbert before the
1.0*Hilbert. Note the recent crossing of the Magenta below the Yellow,
possibly suggesting a topping phase? "
Please explain the 'Hilbert' - this is a new one on me.
Trading with good feelings, Ric.
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:12:13 +0300
From: Alex Bell <alex_bell@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: IB Workstation install file! Help need!
Hello Roman,
See in mail.
Best regards, Alex.
Monday, October 29, 2001, 2:29:21, you wrote:
rtod> Hi trading friends.
rtod> Has anyone an install file for the "old" IB Workstation. (not the java
based
rtod> one).
rtod> I have lost my old one and IB only supports the new java based
program.
rtod> Thank You and good trading
rtod> Roman
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 05:47:08 -0800
From: "John Hall" <jrhall@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Hilbert?
Ric,
The Hilbert Transform calculates the instantaneous phase and amplitude of
the dominant cycle. The frequency, the period and the power spectrum can
be derived from the result as well. That's the simple explanation. If you
want more detailed info, see the links.
http://www.mesasoftware.com/pub/index.html
http://goliath.ee.byu.edu/ee/mers/reports/MERS9505.pdf
For the Adaptive Stochastic indicator the instantaneous period is
recalculated on each bar and used as the indicator length.
Regards;
John
-----Original Message-----
From: ric ingram [mailto:ringram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 4:15 AM
To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [RT] Hilbert?
Bob,
You wrote:
"Attached is another example in the third plot down of a dual stochastic
where one period is based on 0.5 of the Hilbert (Magenta) and the other is
based on 1.0 Hilbert period(Yellow). The idea was that if there is going to
be a trend change it might show up in the 0.5*Hilbert before the
1.0*Hilbert. Note the recent crossing of the Magenta below the Yellow,
possibly suggesting a topping phase? "
Please explain the 'Hilbert' - this is a new one on me.
Trading with good feelings, Ric.
www.traderscalm.com
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:08:40 -0700
From: "crazy12331 e reply" <crazy12331@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Optionetics
Has anyone, or does anyone know of anyone who has experience with
Optionetics, good or bad? Comments appreciated.
Dave
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:31:53 -0700
From: "Earl Adamy" <eadamy@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Case for the bulls-Maybe there is a case for both the bulls and
the bears?
Symmetry on the NDX has, so far, failed to confirm the downside and has now
confirmed the failure. Note that the weekly 21Sep low failed to reach the
9Oct98 low of 1063.28 (initial failure) and has now exceeded the 24Jul98
pivot high of 1485.97 (confirmation of failure). While in no way an
indication that the long term bear market is over, it is an indication that
something appears to be changing in the intermediate term.
Earl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dorothy K. Carter" <dorothy.carter@xxxxxxxx>
To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [RT] Case for the bulls-Maybe there is a case for both the
bulls and the bears?
> I agree the next leg down ... there will be no place to hide... The DJIA
> will most probably be taken down harder than NAZ.... To get the real idea
of
> where NDX is at take a look at monthly chart symmetry would suggest that
> if a rally ended Fri. with the sharp reversal as suspected, then that
high
> would be equal to monthly high of 7/31/98 1485.97. As stated
before...
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:42:23 -0500
From: "Dorothy K. Carter" <dorothy.carter@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Case for the bulls-Maybe there is a case for both the bulls and
the bears?
NDX missed Oct 98 low by 20 points and Friday's high missed high July 31 98
high by 2 points... close enough.......... Earl.. if you ever agree with me
I'll worry! :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Earl Adamy" <eadamy@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [RT] Case for the bulls-Maybe there is a case for both the
bulls and the bears?
> Symmetry on the NDX has, so far, failed to confirm the downside and has
now
> confirmed the failure. Note that the weekly 21Sep low failed to reach the
> 9Oct98 low of 1063.28 (initial failure) and has now exceeded the 24Jul98
> pivot high of 1485.97 (confirmation of failure). While in no way an
> indication that the long term bear market is over, it is an indication
that
> something appears to be changing in the intermediate term.
>
> Earl
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dorothy K. Carter" <dorothy.carter@xxxxxxxx>
> To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 11:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [RT] Case for the bulls-Maybe there is a case for both the
> bulls and the bears?
>
>
> > I agree the next leg down ... there will be no place to hide... The DJIA
> > will most probably be taken down harder than NAZ.... To get the real
idea
> of
> > where NDX is at take a look at monthly chart symmetry would suggest
that
> > if a rally ended Fri. with the sharp reversal as suspected, then that
> high
> > would be equal to monthly high of 7/31/98 1485.97. As stated
> before...
>
>
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:58:56 -0700
From: "Earl Adamy" <eadamy@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Case for the bulls-Maybe there is a case for both the bulls and
the bears?
Comments interspersed below.
Earl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dorothy K. Carter" <dorothy.carter@xxxxxxxx>
To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: [RT] Case for the bulls-Maybe there is a case for both the
bulls and the bears?
According to my data, high for w/e 26Oct01 (1487.40) _exceeded_ (not missed)
the w/e 24Jul98 high (1485.97) by 1.5+- points ... data points confirmed by
two different sources.
> NDX missed Oct 98 low by 20 points and Friday's high missed high July 31
98
> high by 2 points... close enough..........
You might start worrying about your bond target of 100 8/32. Since none of
us have a perfect crystal ball, let's just stick to commentary on what we
see and why we see it ...
> Earl.. if you ever agree with me I'll worry! :-)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Earl Adamy" <eadamy@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 9:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [RT] Case for the bulls-Maybe there is a case for both the
> bulls and the bears?
>
>
> > Symmetry on the NDX has, so far, failed to confirm the downside and has
> now
> > confirmed the failure. Note that the weekly 21Sep low failed to reach
the
> > 9Oct98 low of 1063.28 (initial failure) and has now exceeded the 24Jul98
> > pivot high of 1485.97 (confirmation of failure). While in no way an
> > indication that the long term bear market is over, it is an indication
> that
> > something appears to be changing in the intermediate term.
> >
> > Earl
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dorothy K. Carter" <dorothy.carter@xxxxxxxx>
> > To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 11:27 AM
> > Subject: Re: [RT] Case for the bulls-Maybe there is a case for both the
> > bulls and the bears?
> >
> >
> > > I agree the next leg down ... there will be no place to hide... The
DJIA
> > > will most probably be taken down harder than NAZ.... To get the real
> idea
> > of
> > > where NDX is at take a look at monthly chart symmetry would suggest
> that
> > > if a rally ended Fri. with the sharp reversal as suspected, then that
> > high
> > > would be equal to monthly high of 7/31/98 1485.97. As stated
> > before...
> >
> >
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:11:46 -0700
From: "snptrader" <snptrader@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: IB Workstation install file! Help need!
Don't you like the new Java version ? ( I used to have the old version-I'll
look for it)
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: <rombeck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 4:29 AM
Subject: [RT] IB Workstation install file! Help need!
> Hi trading friends.
>
> Has anyone an install file for the "old" IB Workstation. (not the java
based
> one).
> I have lost my old one and IB only supports the new java based program.
>
> Thank You and good trading
>
> Roman
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:15:54 -0600
From: "Chris Cheatham" <chrischeatham@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Agency Treasury Spread
Here's one for the bond traders.... daily spread chart of 10 y agency
futures - 10 y ust futures.
Regards,
Chris
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:30:48 -0600
From: ChasWaring <cwwaring@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Agency Treasury Spread
what are those futures symbols?
TIA chas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Cheatham" <chrischeatham@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "RealTraders" <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 9:15 AM
Subject: [RT] Agency Treasury Spread
Here's one for the bond traders.... daily spread chart of 10 y agency
futures - 10 y ust futures.
Regards,
Chris
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:33:52 -0000
From: chrischeatham@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Agency Treasury Spread
That chart is done with futuresource unadjusted continuous data -- DN
and TY
Chris
--- In realtraders@xxxx, ChasWaring <cwwaring@xxxx> wrote:
> what are those futures symbols?
>
> TIA chas
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Cheatham" <chrischeatham@xxxx>
> To: "RealTraders" <realtraders@xxxx>
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 9:15 AM
> Subject: [RT] Agency Treasury Spread
>
>
> Here's one for the bond traders.... daily spread chart of 10 y
agency
> futures - 10 y ust futures.
>
> Regards,
> Chris
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:42:50 -0500
From: "Mike Higgs" <moongateca@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Hilbert?
There was also a long discussion recently in the Yahoo group xltraders.
Even some spreadsheets developed.
Regards,
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hall
To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 8:47 AM
Subject: RE: [RT] Hilbert?
Ric,
The Hilbert Transform calculates the instantaneous phase and amplitude of
the dominant cycle. The frequency, the period and the power spectrum can
be derived from the result as well. That's the simple explanation. If you
want more detailed info, see the links.
http://www.mesasoftware.com/pub/index.html
http://goliath.ee.byu.edu/ee/mers/reports/MERS9505.pdf
For the Adaptive Stochastic indicator the instantaneous period is
recalculated on each bar and used as the indicator length.
Regards;
John
-----Original Message-----
From: ric ingram [mailto:ringram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 4:15 AM
To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [RT] Hilbert?
Bob,
You wrote:
"Attached is another example in the third plot down of a dual stochastic
where one period is based on 0.5 of the Hilbert (Magenta) and the other is
based on 1.0 Hilbert period(Yellow). The idea was that if there is going to
be a trend change it might show up in the 0.5*Hilbert before the
1.0*Hilbert. Note the recent crossing of the Magenta below the Yellow,
possibly suggesting a topping phase? "
Please explain the 'Hilbert' - this is a new one on me.
Trading with good feelings, Ric.
www.traderscalm.com
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 18:02:24 -0600
From: BobsKC <bobskc@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Case for the bulls-Maybe there is a case for both the bulls and
the bears?
Maybe .. Bearish sentiment is rampant .. I posted the same thing a few
weeks ago .. that such commonality of sentiment scared the hell out of me
and it still does. Even the posts on this list that seem to support a
bullish sentiment always contain observations that it may not happen and
then make an even better case for a down turn. Until the shorts are driven
from cover and people begin to make a case for more up turn, I am not going
to trust in much of a drop. There are many ways to predict a market but
reverse sentiment is about as reliable as anything both in terms of history
and fundamentals.
Good luck next week to all of you,
Bob
At 01:27 PM 10/28/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>I agree the next leg down ... there will be no place to hide... The DJIA
>will most probably be taken down harder than NAZ.... To get the real idea
of
>where NDX is at take a look at monthly chart symmetry would suggest that
>if a rally ended Fri. with the sharp reversal as suspected, then that high
>would be equal to monthly high of 7/31/98 1485.97. As stated before...
>with US$ turning down it's the foreign sellers that we have to worry
>about.... The U.S. investors have shown resolute and won't capitulate until
>Sept. lows are taken out most probably....... Have a great week
>trading............ Dorothy
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rakesh Sahgal" <r_sahgal@xxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 1:00 PM
>Subject: Re: [RT] Case for the bulls-Maybe there is a case for both the
>bulls and the bears?
>
>
> > Am attaching two charts using Clyde's adaptive stoch indicator on the
>D/W/M
> > time frames. Seems that the tech bust is almost finished and as Earl had
> > suggested a while back the "REAL" economy stocks in the DJI are the ones
>in
> > serious trouble now.
> >
> > Rakesh
> >
> > At 09:34 AM 10/28/01 -0800, you wrote:
> > >Hi All,
> > >
> > >IMHO, speaking only to the NDX, the bears are quietly, slowly
> > >being squeezed hard. Unless some serious exogenous (external)
> > >event occurs they seem about to have their heads handed to
> > >them. Anthrax news has not been even nearly strong enough to
> > >stop this. 5 min NASDAQ adv/decl volume bars have been clearly
> > >bullish for a couple weeks. Additional support comes from the
> > >bears quietly changing their retest the lows in October
> > >prognostications to retest the lows in November/December. I'm not
> > >saying the long term downtrend has changed, nothing's different,
> > >bearishness seems justified.
> > >
> > >But, unless I had a solidly profitable short position or just
> > >went short in the last few days with a close stop, I would be
> > >losing sleep now.
> > >
> > >Maybe I'm wrong. This market has shown the absolute minimum of
> > >bullishness possible every step of the way this year. But that's
> > >the beauty of day trading NDX futures. It means never having to
> > >care which way the market goes so long as it moves 8-).
> > >
> > >regards,
> > >
> > >tbr
> > >
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:20:10 +0100
From: rombeck@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: IB Workstation install file! Help need!
I have already the missing file.
Alex was so friendly.
Thank You.
Roman
----- Original Message -----
From: "snptrader" <snptrader@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] IB Workstation install file! Help need!
> Don't you like the new Java version ? ( I used to have the old
version-I'll
> look for it)
> Steve
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <rombeck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 4:29 AM
> Subject: [RT] IB Workstation install file! Help need!
>
>
> > Hi trading friends.
> >
> > Has anyone an install file for the "old" IB Workstation. (not the java
> based
> > one).
> > I have lost my old one and IB only supports the new java based program.
> >
> > Thank You and good trading
> >
> > Roman
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 01:06:40 -0500
From: profitok <profitok@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Hilbert?
Can you summarize the end result and post the xls file..
or if necessary privately
Ben
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Higgs
To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: [RT] Hilbert?
There was also a long discussion recently in the Yahoo group xltraders.
Even some spreadsheets developed.
Regards,
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hall
To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 8:47 AM
Subject: RE: [RT] Hilbert?
Ric,
The Hilbert Transform calculates the instantaneous phase and amplitude
of the dominant cycle. The frequency, the period and the power spectrum
can be derived from the result as well. That's the simple explanation. If
you want more detailed info, see the links.
http://www.mesasoftware.com/pub/index.html
http://goliath.ee.byu.edu/ee/mers/reports/MERS9505.pdf
For the Adaptive Stochastic indicator the instantaneous period is
recalculated on each bar and used as the indicator length.
Regards;
John
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From: ric ingram [mailto:ringram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 4:15 AM
To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [RT] Hilbert?
Bob,
You wrote:
"Attached is another example in the third plot down of a dual
stochastic where one period is based on 0.5 of the Hilbert (Magenta) and the
other is based on 1.0 Hilbert period(Yellow). The idea was that if there is
going to be a trend change it might show up in the 0.5*Hilbert before the
1.0*Hilbert. Note the recent crossing of the Magenta below the Yellow,
possibly suggesting a topping phase? "
Please explain the 'Hilbert' - this is a new one on me.
Trading with good feelings, Ric.
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 01:07:29 -0500
From: profitok <profitok@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Fw: LowRisk.com Investor Sentiment -
current sentiment
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:00:26 -0500
From: Dorothy Carter <dorothy.carter@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Dec Bonds
Two targets that were given awhile back and were cxld.....however they
may still come into play as important. ....I think I posted them back
prior to 911.. here they are again... just to keep in mind 108 9/32 108
29/32.
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:26:17 -0500
From: Dorothy Carter <dorothy.carter@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Economic Data Beginning to Hurt Dollar vs Majors
Last week US$ gave a target of 115.52 came close to being met today...
new target given down to 112.03 to same area as prior targets given pre
911 112.27 112.09 Dorothy
10/29 2:12P (DJ) =DJ Economic Data Beginning To Hurt Dollar Vs Majors
Story 4790 (P/1074, N/DJN, N/DJWI, N/DJRT, N/DJS, N/FRX, N/NJR,
N/SNEW...)
By John Hardy
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--With this week's U.S. economic data expected to
be
bad, traders acted Monday by selling the dollar against both the euro
and yen.
Although nobody has great faith in the fundamental strength of either
of the
euro zone or Japan, the dollar may have to struggle to retain the
positive
undertone it has shown in the past few weeks as traders start to focus
more on
the potential length and depth of the U.S. economic slowdown.
With the military campaign against the Taliban government of
Afghanistan and
Osama bin Laden's Al Qaida network proving less dramatic than many had
anticipated, attention is shifting to economic fundamentals and away
from
geopolitical events, traders said.
The assertion that the U.S. economy is best positioned to rebound from
a
global slowdown has also come under close scrutiny.
"We started to see a shift (against the dollar) Thursday last week,"
said
David Durrant, chief currency strategist at Bank Julius Baer in New
York, "and
we're starting to see it in the prices - we expect (dollar weakness) to
continue this week."
While the dollar may be lower at week's end, the decline is not
expected to
push either the euro or the yen into a new trading range.
"We're not of the belief that the dollar will just plunge," said
Durrant,
"maybe (the euro) will go to $0.9150-$0.9200."
The key to the dollar's recent change of tone was Thursday's
worse-than-expected U.S. durable goods and existing home sales data
which
caused the currency to weaken sharply across the board - more than
reversing
gains made earlier that day on market disappointment with the European
Central
Bank's "no change" interest rate decision for the euro zone.
Nevertheless, the dollar had been doing quite well, when all
market-affecting factors are considered, analysts said. Since the Sept.
11
attacks, the euro hasn't made any sustainable headway against the
dollar. It
peaked briefly at a high of $0.9330 on September 17, then slid back to
touch a
post-attack low at $0.8871 last week.
Nor has the yen done much better, with the dollar seeing a low at
Y115.84 on
Sept.20 before staging a recovery to approach Y123 last week.
Despite "softish (U.S.) data," we've had "two weeks of very bullish
sentiment" for the dollar, said Bank Julius Baer's Durrant.
At 2.00 p.m. EST (1900 GMT) New York Monday, the euro was at $0.9038,
below
its intraday high at $0.9050 but stronger than $0.8962 at the London
open and
above $0.8923 late Friday in New York.
The dollar was at Y122.03, down from Y122.42 in London and Y122.74
late
Friday in New York. It was also changing hands at 1.6310 Swiss francs,
sharply
down from 1.6525 francs on Friday in New York. The pound firmed to
$1.4521
from $1.4371 late Friday.
With the post-attack recovery waning, the U.S. currency will remain
under
pressure ahead of two closely-watched economic announcements this week,
both
of which are expected to be dollar-negative, analysts said.
On Wednesday, U.S. third-quarter preliminary gross domestic product is
expected to show negative growth, after last quarter's 0.3% rise.
"Market forecasts range between a 0.5%-2.5% annualized fall in third
quarter's GDP," wrote Ram Bhagavatula, chief economist at Royal Bank of
Scotland in New York, "with our own estimate at a 1% drop."
Bhagavatula adds that not merely is the number expected to be
negative, "but
there is more than usual uncertainty in these estimates since the
behavior of
inventories and the trade deficit in September are largely
unfathomable."
However, the real test for the dollar will come on Friday, with the
October
employment report, traders said.
Analysts are uniformly bearish on both headline non-farm payrolls -
expected
to fall by more than 300,000, following last month's 199,000 drop - and
the
unemployment rate - seen as likely to rise above 5%.
Throughout the week, the dollar is expected to take its tone from U.S.
equities - the Dow Jones Industrial Average is already off about 200
points
Monday - and analysts anticipate that shares will react badly to any new
evidence of an economic downturn.
-John Hardy, Dow Jones Newswires; 201-938-2122; john.hardy@xxxxxxxx
(END) DOW JONES NEWS 10-29-01
02:12 PM
Additional Codes ( N/SNEW, M/EUR, M/GBP, M/JPY, M/NND, M/USD, P/DAA,
R/ASI,
R/FE, R/JA, R/NME, R/PRM, R/US)
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:20:05 -0500
From: "Dorothy K. Carter" <dorothy.carter@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Get down Loretta oohhhh EBAY
EBAY L + 52.30 Chg -4.70 B O 52.29 A O 52.32 S 34x10 V
11513100 BTC 86
O 3:20 Opn 57.16 H 58.34 Lo 52.13 AH 71.29 AL 26.75 LTV
500
C 56.99 EPS 0.32 PE 163.44 Div 0.00 Yld 0.00 Ex
**/**/**
Bta 2.00 %Chg -8.25 CE 0.12 FPE 108.96 Dow 3:19 Rtr 3:19 FC
12:23 Cap 14.292
CQT
EBAY INC
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:45:29 -0500
From: Dorothy Carter <dorothy.carter@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Volume on EBAY..............
Now you can see.... EBAY went down on big vol then rallied on lite
vol... then
came back down again on big vol... Very bearish chart..... I don't
care if it
makes money... my work is based on technical analysis
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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:12:45 -0700
From: "Earl Adamy" <eadamy@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Volume on EBAY..............
Dorothy, I don't disagree that EBAY is looking long in the tooth, however it
would help if you would post some charts showing your technical analysis.
OBV on daily (through Friday close) and hourly (through close) charts shows
strong bullish divergence. OBV has its weakness however very large
divergences are often worthy of strong consideration. You may be using
technical indicators which show distribution which is why charts would help.
Earl
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From: "Dorothy Carter" <dorothy.carter@xxxxxxxx>
To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 1:45 PM
Subject: [RT] Volume on EBAY..............
Now you can see.... EBAY went down on big vol then rallied on lite
vol... then
came back down again on big vol... Very bearish chart..... I don't
care if it
makes money... my work is based on technical analysis
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:10:17 -0500
From: "Dorothy K. Carter" <dorothy.carter@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: EBAY Chart......
Most have ability to pull up charts. I'm not saying anything new here
that I did not say last week....... When a stock goes down on heavier
vol than when it goes up........
it is not bullish........ I don't have fancy trade stations.... my
work does not require it..... so this will be a boring simple chart for
most of you.............best, Dorothy
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