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We did this same conversation less than 6 weeks ago... Back then the
comments made were that alterntive energy sources which are more concept vs
making economic sense would not evolve until the price of energy was much
higher. I'm not saying that is smart or correct but just life.. Let's face
it.. look at Calif energy mess this last yr and yet the greenies are still
not wanting to do anything to fix it.. They would rather go with nuclear
than more oil and gas exploration. Right now.. I would rather have another
oil field and worry about it being blown up by terrorists than another
nuclear plant for them to take a shot at.........
----- Original Message -----
From: "Norman Winski" <nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] Oil!
> Dorothy,
>
> The point was not geographical in nature, but rather thinking about
> problems in a different way than what is currently the convention. Bush
> spoke about energy independence a few days ago as a plug for drilling in
the
> Artic. Bush is stuck in the "oil box". Drilling in the Artic, at best, is
a
> short term remedy, not a solution to our oil addiction. This is like a
drug
> addict suggesting the answer to his problem is to find another drug dealer
> or a new source for drugs. . More oil will not solve our long term problem
> which is an addiction to oil. Where is more oil and more drilling going to
> put us in 50 years? I think the answer is that we will be in the same bad
> position we are in now. More oil will only serve, at best, to delay the
> inevitable. We need to think outside of the box to assure freedom,
> prosperity, and security for the US and the Free World. . If elected, I
> promise I will.......
>
> Cheers,
>
> Norman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dorothy Carter" <dorothy.carter@xxxxxxxx>
> To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 2:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [RT] Oil!
>
>
> > Norman in Alaska they have long winters with very short sunlight
hours...
> > and in Summer there are long sunlite hrs.. I have not heard if there is
a
> > way yet to store this SOLAR energy for use beyond a certain amount of
> > time.... NOT EVERYONE LIVES IN FLORIDA... :-)
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Norman Winski" <nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 2:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: [RT] Oil!
> >
> >
> > > Michael F,
> > >
> > > I say let's kick the hyrdocarbon habit altogether. That stuff is a
> > > depleting asset that pollutes our enviorment. Oil has caused us big
> > trouble
> > > in the past and it is going to cause big trouble in the future.. Think
> of
> > > the billions being spent on the war and being given to the airlines.
If
> > we
> > > directed a fraction of that amount toward a serious alternative energy
> > > research we would soon have a way to kick the oil habit. We could
save
> > > billiions and save our enviroment for future generations.
> > >
> > > For example, I could be stupid, run a heat pump for my swimming pool
> and
> > > spend an extra $200 per month for electricity. Instead, I have solar
> > > heating, it costs almost nothing additioanal to operate, and my pool
> temp.
> > > averages 90 degrees. Because the solar heating system has very few
> moving
> > > parts, the maintanence for this system is much lower than a heat pump,
> for
> > > the same initiial costs. Heat pump life expectancy is about 7 years.
> > Solar
> > > heating system life expectancy is about 15 years. Both cost about the
> same
> > > for the initial outlay. Which would you want?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Norman
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Michael Ferguson" <wl7bdn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 10:00 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [RT] Oil!
> > >
> > >
> > > > I still say the West should cut off all oil purchases from the Mid
> East.
> > > Let
> > > > them kill themselves over the last air conditioned limo. Let them
pump
> > oil
> > > > into jerry jugs when all their tanks are full. And absolutely cut
off
> > > their
> > > > access to western revenues.
> > > >
> > > > There is plenty of oil in other continents to supply the west for
> years.
> > > It
> > > > might not be noticeable, but the ME produces NOTHING. It supplies
oil
> to
> > > > producer nations. Something about their culture is totally
> unproductive.
> > > It
> > > > is destructive and merciless. We should let them have it all to
> > > themselves.
> > > >
> > > > Five years or so should suffice to reduce their populations to more
> > > > manageable levels. The sheiks will whine and beg the west to please
> buy
> > > > their oil, at a discount for a friend of Rick.
> > > >
> > > > And the condition will simply be that the hate mongering "mullahs"
> will
> > be
> > > > disposed of. Terminated. And the criminal psychotics dealt with
> > > > appropriately. When they have their patch cleaned up and can control
> the
> > > > criminals inside their borders, the west will buy small quantities
of
> > oil
> > > > from them, temporarily, to test the success of their self control.
> > > >
> > > > A five year time-out for the mid east.
> > > >
> > > > I know this sounds like whacko heresy to everyone who believes that
> the
> > > only
> > > > oil that works in western economies comes from eastern suppliers,
BUT
> I
> > > > DON'T BELIEVE IT.
> > > >
> > > > I am sitting very close to enough oil to run this country for years,
> if
> > > only
> > > > America was smart enough to use it.
> > > >
> > > > Let 'em eat sand,
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Subject: [RT] Oil!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I must say that some of this 3rd party intelligence stuff
regarding
> > > Saudi
> > > > > Arabia, murmurs out of the anti-Iraq side of the Bush
> administration,
> > > and
> > > > > Israeli actions (e.g. last night's assassination of Hamas leader)
> are
> > > > giving
> > > > > me the creeps when it comes to oil! Rick Simmons (a very respected
> > > > > investment banker specializing in energy) wrote a piece 16-18
months
> > ago
> > > > > regarding the prospects for repeat of early 70's oil supply/price
> > > shocks.
> > > > > Prices followed his script until the recession brought down demand
> but
> > > now
> > > > > his ME scenario is perking away. It's not so much that the ME
powers
> > > don't
> > > > > need the cash flows but that politics appear to increasingly
> threaten
> > > oil
> > > > > supplies whether it be an attack on the Alaska pipeline, overthrow
> of
> > a
> > > ME
> > > > > government, or terrorist attacks on ME oil fields or shipping
> > terminals.
> > > > >
> > > > > Earl
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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