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RS,
The historical facts on the Gulf War
are that we kicked Saddam's butt via we lost about 50 people and he lost
100,000. Bush Sr., due to the alliance (read European state craft advice) and to
maintain some ba;amce of power in the region, made the flawed decision
not to behead the Iraqi menace. Those are the facts. Ok, now you can
go back to watching, what was it? KCN? Kabul Cable News?
Thanks,Norman
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Try watching the BBC. They have been presenting a much more
objective assessment of U.S. capabilities. That should be sobering for all
those gung ho cowboys on CNN who think it is going to be a cake walk.
Once this issue snowballs into a Christianity vs Muslim thing, which
it surely will given the irresponsible nonsense being bandied about, not only
in the U.S.( by all and sundry excepting the senior levels of the U.S.
administration) but in the muslim world as well, then the disruptions in
the global energy supplies and the consequences are going to be unimaginable.
The only saving grace here is the presence of the Euorpeans who have
more experience in statecraft and have been much more restrained in their
utterances and reactions.Already Pakistan is witnessing riots on the
issue of support to the U.S. . While it is the fringe element that is creating
problems right now, the refusal of the West to provide conclusive evidence is
only making a hero of bin laden and making the vast majority wonder what do
the western nations want to hide. The efforts to impose the puppet king Zahir
Shah (deposed in a popular uprising decades ago) on Afghanistan by the U.S.,
racist attacks on South Asians and Arabs in North America and U.K. ,
offloading South Asian passengers from flights in the U.S. , insulting South
Asian women , albeit by a few extreme right wing imbeciles, prohibiting
mercantile vessels from most muslim origin ports entering the U.S. ports, are
all playing into the hands of the people who orchestrated this damn nonsense.
This response of "we are going to change the way they live" is
nonsense. If the energy supplies dry up due to popular disaffection in the
middle east, what will the west do, recolonize the gulf? All those in
the United States who think they are going to do a Grenada here(the only
notable victory the U.S has had in an engagement on the ground after world War
2 or maybe Panama - please do correct me if I am wrong ) are going to get a
rude jolt. The only problem is it might be too bloody late for the rest of us
that live in the region.RakeshAt 08:11 AM 9/22/01
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Truth or ConsequencesBy
William SaletanWednesday, Sept. 19, 2001, at 4:00 p.m.
PTWhy do they hate us?That's the question many people are
asking about the terrorists who struckthe Pentagon and the World Trade
Center last week. At first, the questionwas raised simply to make
sense of the tragedy. Then it was posed forinvestigative reasons, to
understand who was involved in the crime and whatthey might do next.
Now the purpose of the question is changing again.Commentators are
wondering how we made the terrorists angry enough to hurtus and how we
might change our behavior to avoid further attacks.These writers
don't exactly fault the United States. They simply argue thatthe
attacks were a consequence of American behavior. "The suicide attacks
inIsrael—and now in the United States—are reactions to specific
actions andpolicies," writes The Nation's David Corn. In The New
Yorker, Susan Sontagsays the terrorist strikes were "undertaken as a
consequence of specificAmerican alliances and actions." Salon
Executive Editor Gary Kamiyaconcludes that "our only real defense will
be winning the hearts and mindsof those who hate us. … We must
pressure Israel to take the concrete stepsnecessary to provide justice
for the Palestinian people."The practical point made by these
consequentialists is that we can't stopterrorism without addressing
its causes. A diagnostic approach, they argue,is wiser than simply
lashing out in anger. They're right about that. Buttheir wisdom falls
short of the next insight: Consequentialism is a two-waystreet. It's
true that terrorists can impose consequences on us. But it'sjust as
true that we can impose consequences on terrorists.Superficially,
it's empowering to analyze every situation in terms of theconsequences
of our own acts. Understanding how we can change the enemy'sbehavior
by changing our own appears to put control in our hands. It
alsogratifies our egos by preserving our sense of free will while
interpretingthe enemy's conduct as causally determined. We're the
subjects; they're theobjects. But the empowerment and the ego
gratification are illusory. Byaccepting as a mechanical fact the
enemy's aggressive response to ouroffending behavior, we surrender
control of the most important part of thesequence.Imagine
yourself as a rat in a behavioral experiment. You're put in a cagewith
three levers. When you press the first lever, you get food. When
youpress the second, you get water. When you press the third, you get
anelectric shock. You quickly learn to press the first two levers and
not thethird. You think you're in control because you're choosing the
levers thatget you what you want. But the real power belongs to the
scientists whobuilt the cage and run the experiment, because they
determine which actsproduce which consequences.Now imagine
yourself as a battered wife. Every so often, your husband getsangry
and hits you. Why? You struggle to understand the connection
betweenyour behavior and his response. What are you doing that causes
him to reactthis way? You hope that by identifying and avoiding the
offending behavior,you can regain domestic peace and a sense of
control. You're deludingyourself. As long as your husband decides
which of your acts will earn you abeating, he's the master, and you're
the slave.This is the problem with the consequentialist argument
for revising U.S.policy in the Middle East. Maybe it's true, for other
reasons, that weshould rethink our position in the Israeli-Palestinian
conflict, withdrawour troops from Saudi Arabia, or ease sanctions on
Iraq. But if we do thesethings to avoid further attacks on our cities,
we're granting terrorists thepower to dictate our acts by dictating
the consequences.The consequentialists present themselves as
humanitarians and idealists.They purport to speak up for the plights,
principles, and aspirations ofpeople who are driven to commit acts of
terror. But their mechanisticanalysis dehumanizes these people.
Terrorists aren't animals. No law ofnature compels them to blow up
buildings when they're angry. We don't haveto accept their violent
reactions to our policies. We can break that causalchain.How?
By turning consequentialism on its head. We can dictate what happens
topeople who attack us. Suicidal terrorists may be impervious to this
logic,but their commanders and sponsors aren't. Launder money for a
man whodestroys the World Trade Center, and your assets will be
confiscated.Shelter an organization that crashes a plane into the
Pentagon, and yourgovernment buildings will be leveled. Expel
terrorists from your country,freeze their bank accounts, and you'll be
liberated from sanctions and debt.Will this approach succeed? We
don't know how each would-be terrorist orsponsor will respond. It's an
open question. But that's the point. As longas we view it the other
way around—ourselves as the actors, and our enemiesas the imposers of
consequences—the question is closed. Our enemies'reactions, and
therefore our options, are rigidly defined. We can havetroops in Saudi
Arabia, or we can have peace at home, but we can't
haveboth.Challenging the false objectivity of these dilemmas
doesn't require us toignore the potential consequences of our acts.
Some of our Middle Eastpolicies do anger many Arabs or Muslims. We
ought to worry when others don'tlike our behavior. But just as surely,
they ought to worry when we don'tlike theirs.Two years ago,
when President Clinton waged war against ethnic cleansing inKosovo,
consequentialists on the American right blamed him for thebloodshed.
His aggression, they argued, had provoked the Serbs to violence.Now
that President Bush is girding for war, consequentialism has broken
outon the left. To his credit, Bush is defying it with equal vigor.
Theterrorists who struck the Pentagon and the World Trade Center "are
clearlydetermined to try to force the United States of America and our
values towithdraw from the world," Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld
observedyesterday. "We have a choice: either to change the way we
live, which isunacceptable; or to change the way that they live. And
we chose the
latter."Amen._________________________________________________________________Get
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