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Greeting Don and ALL:
Thanks for the nice post. I too remembered few years ago regarding the war
between Afganistan and the Soviet. Back then, I personally judged and felt the
plight of the Afghans. And I could still remember my anger towards the
Russians. I felt this way a few years back and I cannot see why I should change
my view about these Afghans now. But having said that, IMHO, resolution by
force is a must towards these terrorist establishments. As one Canadian fellow
trader put it, "This is damn too much". Resolving the matter through diplomatic
channels ONLY work when the counter party has a true sense of value towards
life. Obviously and proven time after time in the past, life is cheap and
absolutely has no meaning to these S.O.Bs. US is not alone this time to deal
with these evil forces. The feelings, anger and determinations are very much in
sync with the United States throughout most the asia pacific rims and most of
the major European developed nations as well. When I saw on tv these kids and
women celebrating on the streets somewhere in the Middle East after the
destruction of the WTCs, I felt so sick of watching these "human beings". When
these kids grow up, there will be another batch of terrorists all too ready and
eager to go for another building in some major cities around the world. I
concluded to myself: Men, women and kids make no difference when it comes to
evil deeds. They are all in the same category. Honestly, I feel shame to make
such conclusion but this is the reality to me. Regards.
Take care and God Bless to All
Jeff Harteam
Hong Kong
Don Thompson wrote:
> Hmmm, sounds like the same old Left-Right hup hup hup hup....
> Gentlemen, here's another view of the world and the intention of the Enemy
> and ...... the land in which he lives.
> I got this forwarded to me by my wife. Something to put into your mind and
> think about with all this free time until the Market opens. Got to come up
> with creative mind boggling solutions.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Don Thompson
>
> >Subject: [Fwd: Great article about afghanistan/taliban/bin laden]
> One of our colleague posted the following article and it really shows
> theplight of the real Afghans.
>
> Regards,
>
> Imran
>
> Dear Friends,
> The following was sent to me by my friend Tamim Ansary. Tamim is
> an Afghani-American writer. He is also one of the most brilliant people
> I know in this life. When he writes, I read. When he talks, I listen.
> Here is his take on Afghanistan and the whole mess we are in.
> -Gary T.
>
> Dear Gary and whoever else is on this email thread:
> I've been hearing a lot of talk about "bombing Afghanistan back to
> the Stone Age." Ronn Owens, on KGO Talk Radio today, allowed that this
> would mean killing innocent people, people who had nothing to do with
> this atrocity, but "we're at war, we have to accept collateral damage.
> What else can we do?" Minutes later I heard some TV pundit discussing
> whether we "have the belly to do what must be done."
> And I thought about the issues being raised especially hard because
> I am from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived here for 35 years I've
> never lost track of what's going on there. So I want to tell anyone who
> will listen how it all looks from where I'm standing.
> I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. There is no
> doubt in my mind that these people were responsible for the atrocity
> in New York. I agree that something must be done about those monsters.
> But the Taliban and Ben Laden are not Afghanistan. They're not even
> the government of Afghanistan. The Taliban are a cult of ignorant
> psychotics who took over Afghanistan in 1997. Bin Laden is a political
> criminal
> with a plan. When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When you think Bin
> Laden, think Hitler. And when you think "the people of Afghanistan" think
> "the Jews in the concentration camps." It's not only that the Afghan
> people had nothing to do with this atrocity.
> They were the first victims of the perpetrators. They would exult if
> someone would come in there, take out the Taliban and clear out the rats
> nest of international thugs holed up in their country.
> Some say, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the Taliban? The
> answer is, they're starved, exhausted, hurt, incapacitated, suffering.
> A few years ago, the United Nations estimated that there are 500,000
> disabled orphans in Afghanistan--a country with no economy, no food.
> There are millions of widows. And the Taliban has been burying these
> widows alive in mass graves. The soil is littered with land mines, the
> farms were all destroyed by the Soviets. These are a few of the reasons
> why the Afghan people have not overthrown the Taliban.
> We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone
> Age. Trouble is, that's been done. The Soviets took care of it already.
> Make the Afghans suffer? They're already suffering. Level their houses?
> Done. Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done. Eradicate their
> hospitals? Done. Destroy their infrastructure? Cut them off from
> medicine
> and health care? Too late. Someone already did all that.
>
> New bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier bombs. Would they at
> least get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's Afghanistan, only the
> Taliban eat, only they have the means to move around. They'd slip away and
> hide.
> Maybe the bombs would get some of those disabled orphans, they don't
> move too fast, they don't even have wheelchairs. But flying over Kabul
> and dropping bombs wouldn't really be a strike against the criminals
> who did this horrific thing. Actually it would only be making common
> cause with the Taliban--by raping once again the people they've been
> raping all this time
> So what else is there? What can be done, then? Let me now speak with
> true fear and trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden is to go in there
> with ground troops. When people speak of "having the belly to do what
> needs to be done" they're thinking in terms of having the belly to kill
> as many as needed. Having the belly to overcome any moral qualms about
> killing innocent people. Let's pull our heads out of the sand. What's
> actually on the table is Americans dying. And not just because some
> Americans
> would die fighting their way through Afghanistan to Bin Laden's hideout.
> It's much bigger than that folks. Because to get any troops to Afghanistan,
> We'd have to go through Pakistan. Would they let us? Not likely. The
> conquest of Pakistan would have to be first. Will other Muslim nations just
> stand by? You see where I'm going. We're flirting with a world war between
> Islam and the West.
> And guess what: that's Bin Laden's program. That's exactly what he wants.
> That's why he did this. Read his speeches and statements. It's all right
> there. He really believes Islam would beat the west. It might seem
> ridiculous,
> but he figures if he can polarize the world into Islam and the West,
> he's got a billion soldiers. If the west wreaks a holocaust in those
> lands, that's a billion people with nothing left to lose, that's even
> better from Bin Laden's point of view. He's probably wrong, in the end
> the west would win, whatever that would mean, but the war would last
> for years and millions would die, not just theirs but ours. Who has the
> belly for that? Bin Laden does. Anyone else?
> Tamim Ansary
>
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 2:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [RT] show your colors
>
> >
> > >> Sonny, I have a better idea. Why don't we throw the liberals out of
> > >> office. How do you identify a liberal? It's easy:
> >
> > >> * they cut the military budget
> > >> * ignore the absolute disaster in our immigration policy
> > >> * force diversity down our throats
> > >> * destroy our schools by increasing spending with all the
> > >> money going to diversity and sex programs
> > >> * seek to pacify and endlessly negotiate with our enemies
> > >> * and politicize every issue instead of thinking what's best for
> > >> America.
> >
> > >> I love this country, but I'm disgusted with the jerks we send to
> govern
> > >> us. Just look at this jerk Gary Condit, and I think he's a member of
> or
> > >> chairman of a defense committee. Ask yourself: why is this low-life
> > >> still getting support from his constituents and many of his party
> > >> members? Flying flags is an effort for a week, but paying attention to
> > >> who we vote for is a full-time effort, and it's one we have to take
> on.
> >
> > >> Ralph
> >
> > ralph, before you blow a gasket, a reminder or two:
> >
> > (1) one of the "jerks" that govern us approved $43 million in aid to
> > afghanistan & the taliban just a few months ago. it's a simple
> > web search. guess who it was?
> >
> > (2) we have something called voting in this country. you have exactly
> > ONE of them. the rest of the people in this country likewise each
> > have one.
> >
> > - *lk
> >
> >
> >
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