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RE: [RT] H&S on the Bonds



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Earl 
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While 
I agree with you that the pattern is too small to call it a h&s pattern, at 
least as defined by E&M, the volume pattern that you discuss is not a good 
argument only because volume can rise on the right shoulder from days between 
the head and the right shoulder, as long as it is lower than at the head. For 
that matter, the volume I show on my chart for 8-Jan was the lowest since the 
high anyway to that point. It looks as if your charts show previous day's volume 
beneath the current bar (see my chart attached). The low volume on the left 
shoulder is at least partially because it was pre-Christmas (wasn't the 22nd a 
shortened day?). Note also that volume properly increased as prices fell the 
next day. The volume pattern looks even better in the benchmark 10Y futures 
(though the left shoulder is still low). 
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The 
most incorrect thing about calling this a H&S is that it is no place near 
being confirmed. The neckline is one of those ugly downward sloping ones. It 
comes in tomorrow near 103:20. The measured move off the high will be about 
2:14, so we will get the signal more than 1/2 to the target. Not a great 
risk/reward. There are much better patterns and indicators that would have told 
you to be short than this possible H&S. 
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One 
thing that I strongly believe in is that the requirements that E&M put on 
patterns as far as length go are not useful. These patterns also show up, and 
seem to be reliable, even on an intraday basis. Of course, as an Elliottician, I 
think all patterns can work even down to very short time frames. It is a bias I 
have and a cross that I have to bear.
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Steve 
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  <FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2>-----Original Message-----From: Earl Adamy 
  [mailto:eadamy@xxxxxxxxxx]Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 9:09 
  PMTo: RealTradersSubject: Re: [RT] H&S on the 
  Bonds
  I've previously reminded TBT of the required 
  qualifications for a H&S with E&M and Curtis Arnold references to 
  proper identification of H&S patterns but he keeps throwing these things 
  up as H&S. For the benefit of new traders on the list who pickup such 
  misinformation and try to use it to their financial peril, I have attached a 
  GIF which shows what disqualifies this as a H&S. The idea is simple - 
  high volume on the rally into the left should indicates buying while low 
  volume on the rally into the right shoulder indicates lack of 
  buying. Finally, the pattern here is much too abbreviated (too few 
  bars) to qualify as a H&S.
   
  Earl
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    style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From: 
    Don 
    Ewers 
    To: <A 
    href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxx"; 
    title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxx 
    Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 3:45 
    PM
    Subject: Re: [RT] H&S on the 
    Bonds
    
    Bill,
    I noticed that too, but as another astute investor (Earl) saw the 
    volume on the right shoulder is larger than on the left, so be careful about 
    this "topping pattern" and getting too bearish.  Could just be a minor 
    wave 4 of big wave 3 (not a big wave 4) in a continuation pattern? Minor 4's 
    screw more trades up, I have learned to respect them (Vs predicting a 
    big wave 4).
    don ewersTo 
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