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This is not a forum for political, ethical, or religious discussion. Please
stop this immediately. If you want to continue the discourse do so
privately. I do not understand why this is so difficult. If the post does
not have to do with trading then do not send it to the list. While the
original post made me feel all patriotic, this is the exact reason
non-trading posts are not allowed no matter how quality they may be. I have
now received 25 replies on this subject. Now we have breeched child
rearing, abortion, media violence, morality, and the treatment of Native
Americans. Please, John, end this string quickly.
sb
----- Original Message -----
From: "Buff Dormeier" <bdormeier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 8:36 AM
Subject: [RT] RE: RE: The 4th of July
>
> "You have no longer any cause to fear danger from abroad . . . It is from
> within, among yourselves--from cupidity, from corruption, from
disappointed
> ambition and inordinate thirst for power--that factions will be formed and
> liberty endangered. It is against such designs, whatever disguise the
actors
> may assume,that you have especially to guard yourselves. You have the
> highest of human trusts committed to yourcare. Providence has showered on
> this favored land blessings without number, and has chosen you as
> theguardians of freedom, to preserve it for the benefit of the human race.
> May He who holds in His hands the destinies of nations make you worthy of
> the favors He has bestowed and enable you, with pure heartsand pure hands
> and sleepless vigilance, to guard and defend to the end of time the great
> charge He has committed to your
> keeping." --Andrew Jackson, Farewell Address, March 4, 1837
>
> As our families decay, as our concept of sexual responsibility corrupts,
> as we become increasingly numbed to the massive, horrific destruction of
> unborn children in the womb, and as we become increasingly habituated to
> the loss of control of ourselves, our money and our schools, we approach a
> moment in which we will either act as a people to return to moral health,
> or we will acquiesce in the unraveling of the fabric of liberty. We are
> reaching a crisis of self-government which, if not effectively addressed,
> will mean the end of our very capacity as a people to enjoy the times of
> normal self-government .
>
> We cannot afford leaders who will try to deal with this range of problems
> in a piecemeal fashion, with their lists of issues -- because precisely by
> inviting our people to focus on the details, such leaders distract them
> from seeing the crisis in a way that will make a true national resolve of
> reformation possible. As alarming as the trees may be, we must at all
> costs keep in sight the forest of our danger, which is that we are
> sacrificing our principles and destroying our character as a free people.
> The challenge we face now is our challenge as a people to renew our
> allegiance to our principles, and to get away from those policies that
> reject the fundamental moral principle of the country -- that our rights
> come from God, and must be exercised with respect for the authority of
> God. It is a matter of simple necessity for this country to be true to its
> principles, or we will lose everything we have. - Dr. Allen Keyes;
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JW [mailto:JW@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 12:48 AM
> To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [RT] RE: The 4th of July
>
>
> We would all do well to remember what the famous <g> Pogo said. I
> believe it was "We have met the enemy and they are us".
>
> If you are unhappy with something, then you must actively work to
> fix/change it - as the brave people referenced below did. In a
> democracy, everyone must vote and regularly communicate/express their
> views to their elected political representatives. Everyone must
> participate for a democracy to work effectively. We must write
> letters to the newspapers and magazines. There are forums on the web
> or Usenet where one can express views anonymously. If nothing else,
> then one can contribute to causes or campaigns that match the
> viewpoint of their choice. But you cannot just sit back and always
> point the finger at "THEM".
>
> Too many in today's world refuse to take responsibility for much of
> anything, choosing instead to take the lazy way out - blaming all
> problems on "THEM". "THEY" are the cause of this or that problem, not
> "ME", not "US", always "THEM". Remember, the United States
> Constitution begins with "We, the people..." and the Declaration Of
> Independence uses the pronoun "we" frequently.
>
> Finally, simply complaining about a problem is of little value if you
> don't have a viable solution to offer and actively work to communicate
> and implement it. If the solution requires reforming or changing
> election law, judicial law, tax code law, state law, whatever, then
> you must find a way to make your point and affect the matter in some
> positive way. You may not succeed in changing the situation or fixing
> the problem immediately (or even in your lifetime), but you must
> continue to try. We are all responsible for the world we live in.
>
> Again, there is no "THEY". THEY are US...
>
> JW
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: listmanager@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:listmanager@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> Behalf Of James Taylor
> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 6:56 PM
> To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [RT] RE: The 4th of July
>
>
> that brought a tear to my eye, especially when I thought about how the
> fibre
> of our current elected officials has deteriorated and become a band of
> lieing, decieving, reckless, crooks.
>
> God bless America, and heaven help us if things don't change fast.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: listmanager@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:listmanager@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> Behalf Of Ira Tunik
> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 12:39 PM
> To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [RT] The 4th of July
>
>
> For those of you who complain about taxes. Is there another place in
> the world that affords the opportunities that this country gives one.
> Some live in other countries yet take advantage of our economic
> system,
> stock and futures markets and complain that living here would be to
> expensive and paying taxes a burden. People die in containers to get
> here and all that many who live here can do is complain about their
> plight. Here is something to think about over the fourth. What some
> men
> were willing to give up so that we can live the good life. Ira
>
> Just a little food for thought as the 4th
> approaches....
>
> Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who
> signed the Declaration of Independence?
>
> Five signers were captured by the British as traitors,
> and tortured before they died.
>
> Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned.
>
> Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army;
> another had two sons captured.
>
> Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or
> hardships of the Revolutionary War.
>
> They signed and they pledged their lives, their
> fortunes, and their sacred honor.
>
> What kind of men were they? Twenty-four were lawyers
> and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers
> and large plantation owners; men of means, well
> educated. But they signed the Declaration of
> Independence knowing full well that the penalty would
> be death if they were captured.
>
> Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and
> trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the
> British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay
> his debts, and died in rags.
>
> Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he
> was forced to move his family almost constantly. He
> served in the Congress without pay, and his family was
> kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him,
> and poverty was his reward.
>
> Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery,
> Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge,
> and Middleton.
>
> At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson Jr, noted
> that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the
> Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged
> General George Washington to open fire. The home was
> destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt.
>
> Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed.
> The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few
> months.
>
> John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she
> was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His
> fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more
> than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning
> home to
> find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few
> weeks later he died from exhaustion and a broken
> heart.
>
> Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates.
>
> Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American
> Revolution. These were not wild-eyed, rabble-rousing
> ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means and
> education. They had security, but they valued liberty
> more.
> Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, they pledged:
> "For the support of this declaration, with firm
> reliance on the protection of the divine providence,
> we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, our
> fortunes, and our
> sacred honor."
>
> They gave you and me a free and independent America.
> The history books never told you a lot about what
> happened in the Revolutionary War. We didn't fight
> just the British. We were British subjects at that
> time and we fought our own government!
>
> Some of us take these liberties so much for granted,
> but we shouldn't. So, take a few minutes while
> enjoying your 4th of July holiday and silently thank
> these patriots. It's not much to ask for the price
> they paid.
>
> Remember: freedom is never free! . It's time we get the word out that
> patriotism is NOT a sin, and the Fourth of July has
> more to it than beer, picnics, and baseball games.
>
>
>
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