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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There are many living in the Blair Republic of the
United Kingdom that might welcome the idea of moving to Sark, but I believe The
Dame of Sark is having her troubles with the Barclay Brothers keeping the island
in its present state of relaxed beauty, and life may not remain as idyllic as it
should be. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The Channel Islands have always made it very
difficult for outsiders to take up residency and the boatloads of people allowed
to emigrate to our shores are simply not allowed. One wonders how you were
lucky enough to establish yourself on Sark - not easily, I'm sure.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tax avoidance has always been the name of the game
(and the Channel Islands are famous for it!), but tax evasion is illegal in any
country. It is getting the line right in the sand which is sometimes very
difficult. Even when you manage to do it, public belief can be
beggared, as one of Tony's Cronies, Lord Levy found out when yesterday the
Sunday Times exposed the fact that he only paid £5,000 last year -
notwithstanding being a multi-mil</FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2>lionnaire. When you are that rich, have got Tony to give you a
peerage and are living off the fat of land of prime ministerial patronage, the
man in the street expects you to pay taxes - not get out of
them. Even if what you did was perfectly legal!<FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anyway, you might have
guessed you would have got all the cross-fire over taxation, but it
was daring of you indeed to cross the person who signs himself "The
Doctor", as most on this list are silenced when he
pronounces... </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The fact that you may have found a novel way of
avoiding tax is something you want to keep to yourself, because, as you have
seen everyone else gets very hot under the collar and wants to prove
you wrong...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Bill Eykyn<BR><A
href="http://www.t-bondtrader.com";>www.t-bondtrader.com</A><BR>"Learn to read
the tape"</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
Gram </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 26, 2000 8:19 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [RT] R: R: Re: R: Re: R: R: Re:
Stocks and futures</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE="CITE">
<P><FONT color=#000000 size=4>Just for fun, it might be interesting to
compare the longevity rates in your place and mine <g></FONT>
<P><FONT color=#000000 size=4>Cheers,</FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=#000000 size=4></FONT>Gram.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>There is a Dr on the islands, and excellent hospital assistance on the
<BR>larger islands, or use BUPA or Medicare.</P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<P><BR>NW: You may want to consider that if you ever had a heart
attack or stroke, your chances of survival sound dim on Sark.
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE="CITE">Cheers,</BLOCKQUOTE> Norman
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE="CITE">
<P>Cheers, <BR>Gram. <BR>-----Messaggio originale----- <BR>Da: BobR
<bobrabcd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <BR>A: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <BR>Data: 26/06/2000 02:32
<BR>Oggetto: [RT] Re: R: Re: R: R: Re: Stocks and futures
<P>>Someone who knows him tells me he lives in Italy. <BR>>br
<BR>> <BR>>----- Original Message ----- <BR>>From: nwinski
<nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <BR>>To:
<realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <BR>>Cc:
<realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <BR>>Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000
8:21 PM <BR>>Subject: [RT] Re: R: Re: R: R: Re: Stocks and futures
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> Gram wrote:
<BR>>> <BR>>> > Here: <A
href="http://www.sark.net/~xott/sarkinfo.html";>http://www.sark.net/~xott/sarkinfo.html</A>
<BR>>> > But where you live is only one part of it, you must also
organize your <BR>>> > affairs properly. <BR>>>
<BR>>> NW: Gram, thanks for the interesting info. However,
from what I <BR>gathered, <BR>>if <BR>>> you have a medical
<BR>>> emergency, you are dead meat. Enjoying major theater or
cultural events <BR>is <BR>>very <BR>>> unlikely without
traveling to Paris or London. Traveling anywhere in the
<BR>>world <BR>>> is a major production, as you have to travel
one hour by boat just to <BR>>connect to <BR>>> other boats to
take you where you could get an airplane. You can only <BR>>swim
in <BR>>> your pool and then only for a few months before it gets
cold. Sark sounds <BR>>quaint <BR>>> and cute, but what good is
making more money via sans taxes if you can't <BR>>enjoy <BR>>>
life's ementies? Do you have to actually live there or do you just
<BR>>establish <BR>>> residency and then live on a tropical isle?
<BR>>> <BR>>> Cheers, <BR>>> <BR>>> Norman
<BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> > <BR>>> >
<BR>>> > -----Messaggio originale----- <BR>>> > Da:
Eliot Kaplan <eliot@xxxxxxx> <BR>>> > A:
<realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>RealTraders
<BR>><realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <BR>>> > Data:
25/06/2000 19:31 <BR>>> > Oggetto: [RT] Re: R: R: Re: Stocks and
futures <BR>>> > <BR>>> > >Gram, <BR>>> >
> <BR>>> > >Thanks for your response! <BR>>> >
> <BR>>> > >I guess the next logical question is: Where
(what country & <BR>>state/province) <BR>>> > >have you
found that is so resident/income friendly that no taxes are <BR>>>
> >required? <BR>>> > > <BR>>> > >My wife is
Canadian, so I often ponder whether I could trade from <BR>there
<BR>>> > with <BR>>> > >significantly less taxes.
<BR>>> > > <BR>>> > >I could get residency through
her, and have often considered Vancouver <BR>>and <BR>>> >
>its environs a healthier alternative to Southern CA, which is where I
<BR>>am <BR>>> > >now. <BR>>> > > <BR>>>
> >The US with its ever increasing legal controls, taxes, pollution
and <BR>>> > >overpopulation have certainly got me looking at
a potentially quieter, <BR>>more <BR>>> > >hassle free
existence across the border. <BR>>> > > <BR>>> >
>If only winter weren't so extreme! <BR>>> > > <BR>>>
> >Perhaps there are no "perfect" places?! <BR>>> > >
<BR>>> > >So, where are you pray tell? <BR>>> > >
<BR>>> > >Eliot <BR>>> > > <BR>>> > >
<BR>>> > > <BR>>> > > <BR>>> > >Eliot
Kaplan <BR>>> > > <BR>>> > >email: eliot@xxxxxxx
<BR>>> > >web: www.isu.com <BR>>> > > <BR>>>
> >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ <BR>>> >
> <BR>>> > > <BR>>> > >> From: "Gram"
<gramario@xxxxxx> <BR>>> > >> Reply-To:
gramario@xxxxxx <BR>>> > >> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 17:43:06
+0200 <BR>>> > >> To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<BR>>> > >> Subject: [RT] R: R: Re: Stocks and futures
<BR>>> > >> <BR>>> > >> <BR>>> >
>> Hi Eliot, <BR>>> > >> I apologise for the fact
that some people perhaps do not realise <BR>that <BR>>I <BR>>>
> >> neither live nor operate from or within the US. <BR>>>
> >> I long ago decided that these costs had to be dealt with in
order to <BR>>be <BR>>> > free <BR>>> > >> from
some encumberances. I made my plan (much as most of us do when
<BR>>> > >> trading), and then took steps to nurse and
guide it to fruition. <BR>>> > >> I have no interest in the
IRS or any other institution and there is <BR>>no <BR>>> >
>> reason why they should an interest in me.. <BR>>> >
>> I am not a "declared tax free" as you put it; my position is
<BR>>perfectly <BR>>> > >> legal. <BR>>> >
>> <BR>>> > >> As to your question: <BR>>> >
>> "Do you not get audited and harassed by the IRS? There might be a
<BR>few <BR>>> > >> significant time, energy, and dollar
costs in that, no?" <BR>>> > >> <BR>>> > >>
The answer is, "No, I do not get audited nor harassed by anyone.
<BR>>Hence, <BR>>> > >> there are no significant costs
(whether they be of a time, energy, <BR>or <BR>>a <BR>>> >
>> dollar nature)." <BR>>> > >> <BR>>> >
>> Gram, <BR>>> > >> <BR>>> > >>>
Are you just not paying taxes? <BR>>> > >>> <BR>>>
> >>> I presume this means you are among the folks who believe
you do not <BR>>need <BR>>> > to <BR>>> >
>>> pay, that the Constitution or whatever "asks" for
contributions but <BR>>does <BR>>> > >> not <BR>>>
> >>> and doesn't have the right to "demand" them. Is this so?
<BR>>> > >>> <BR>>> > >>> I've heard
of the "declared tax free', but, like many, I'm sure, <BR>>have a
<BR>>> > >> hard <BR>>> > >>> time
believing that just not paying would work, and not cause <BR>>> >
significant <BR>>> > >>> problems. <BR>>> >
>>> <BR>>> > >>> Want to enlighten us on what
you mean? And how long you've done it <BR>>> > >>>
successfully. <BR>>> > >>> <BR>>> >
>>> Your point about other trading costs being insignificant in
<BR>relation <BR>>to <BR>>> > >>> taxes is clearly
so, but I'm sure many of us have a hard time with <BR>>the <BR>>>
> idea <BR>>> > >>> we can just walk away from taxes
with no governmental recourse. <BR>>> > >>> <BR>>>
> >>> Do you not get audited and harassed by the IRS? There
might be a <BR>few <BR>>> > >>> significant time,
energy, and dollar costs in that, no? <BR>>> > >>>
<BR>>> > >>> Just an interested citizen, and I apologize
to the list that this <BR>>> > inquiry <BR>>> > >>
is <BR>>> > >>> perhaps off topic. <BR>>> >
>>> <BR>>> > >>> Eliot <BR>>> >
>>> <BR>>> > >>> <BR>>> > >>>
Eliot Kaplan <BR>>> > >>> <BR>>> > >>>
email: eliot@xxxxxxx <BR>>> > >>> web: www.isu.com
<BR>>> > >>> <BR>>> > >>>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ <BR>>> >
>>> <BR>>> > >>> <BR>>> >
>>>> From: "Gram" <gramario@xxxxxx> <BR>>> >
>>>> Reply-To: gramario@xxxxxx <BR>>> >
>>>> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 07:39:18 +0200 <BR>>> >
>>>> To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <BR>>> >
>>>> Subject: [RT] R: Re: Stocks and futures <BR>>> >
>>>> <BR>>> > >>>> So many people spend
time comparing brokers commissions, data <BR>>feeds, <BR>>> >
etc. <BR>>> > >>>> which do indeed eat into their
trading profits. But instead of <BR>>> > >> concentrating
<BR>>> > >>>> solely on trading costs, look at it the
other way for a moment: <BR>>> > eliminate <BR>>> >
>>>> all tax, all accountants, all paperwork, inheritance
taxes, <BR>Capital <BR>>> > Gains <BR>>> >
>>>> and all corporate taxes and see what this does to your
trading <BR>P&L. <BR>>> > >>>> Try thinking of it
as $1 earned = $1 kept. It is much easier to <BR>>become <BR>>>
> a <BR>>> > >>>> millionaire this way.
<BR>>> > >>>> If you save 30+% a year on such costs,
the choice between CQG or <BR>>> > >> Quote.com
<BR>>> > >>>> becomes easier. You choose the best
there is for your needs! <BR>>> > >>>> Just an idea.
<BR>>> > >>>> Gram. <BR>>> >
>>>> <BR>>> > >>>> <BR>>> >
>>>> <BR>>> > >>> <BR>>> >
>>> <BR>>> > >>> <BR>>> > >>
<BR>>> > >> <BR>>> > >> <BR>>> >
> <BR>>> > > <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4>Tx. Bill,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4></FONT>Just one correction. The Dame of Sark is
dead. Michael Beamont is now the Seugnieur</DIV>
<DIV>All the best,</DIV>
<DIV>Gram.</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>Oggetto: </B>Re: [RT] R: R: Re: R: Re: R: R:
Re: Stocks and futures<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There are many living in the Blair Republic of
the United Kingdom that might welcome the idea of moving to Sark, but I
believe The Dame of Sark is having her troubles with the Barclay Brothers
keeping the island in its present state of relaxed beauty, and life may not
remain as idyllic as it should be. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The Channel Islands have always made it very
difficult for outsiders to take up residency and the boatloads of people
allowed to emigrate to our shores are simply not allowed. One wonders
how you were lucky enough to establish yourself on Sark - not easily, I'm
sure.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tax avoidance has always been the name of the
game (and the Channel Islands are famous for it!), but tax evasion is
illegal in any country. It is getting the line right in the sand which
is sometimes very difficult. Even when you manage to do it,
public belief can be beggared, as one of Tony's Cronies, Lord
Levy found out when yesterday the Sunday Times exposed the fact
that he only paid £5,000 last year - notwithstanding being a
multi-mil</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>lionnaire. When you are
that rich, have got Tony to give you a peerage and are living off the fat of
land of prime ministerial patronage, the man in the street expects you
to pay taxes - not get out of them. Even if what you did was
perfectly legal!<FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anyway, you might have
guessed you would have got all the cross-fire over taxation, but it
was daring of you indeed to cross the person who signs himself
"The Doctor", as most on this list are silenced when he
pronounces... </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The fact that you may have found a novel way of
avoiding tax is something you want to keep to yourself, because, as you have
seen everyone else gets very hot under the collar and wants to prove
you wrong...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Bill Eykyn<BR><A
href="http://www.t-bondtrader.com";>www.t-bondtrader.com</A><BR>"Learn
to read the tape"</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
Gram </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 26, 2000 8:19
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [RT] R: R: Re: R: Re: R:
R: Re: Stocks and futures</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P><FONT color=#000000 size=4>Just for fun, it might be
interesting to compare the longevity rates in your place and
mine <g></FONT>
<P><FONT color=#000000 size=4>Cheers,</FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=#000000 size=4></FONT>Gram.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>There is a Dr on the islands, and excellent hospital
assistance on the <BR>larger islands, or use BUPA or
Medicare.</P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<P><BR>NW: You may want to consider that if you ever had a
heart attack or stroke, your chances of survival sound dim on Sark.
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE = CITE>Cheers,</BLOCKQUOTE> Norman
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE = CITE>
<P>Cheers, <BR>Gram. <BR>-----Messaggio originale----- <BR>Da:
BobR <bobrabcd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <BR>A:
realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<BR>Data: 26/06/2000 02:32 <BR>Oggetto: [RT] Re: R: Re: R: R:
Re: Stocks and futures
<P>>Someone who knows him tells me he lives in Italy.
<BR>>br <BR>> <BR>>----- Original Message -----
<BR>>From: nwinski <nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<BR>>To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <BR>>Cc:
<realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <BR>>Sent: Sunday, June
25, 2000 8:21 PM <BR>>Subject: [RT] Re: R: Re: R: R: Re:
Stocks and futures <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>> <BR>>>
<BR>>> Gram wrote: <BR>>> <BR>>> > Here: <A
href="http://www.sark.net/~xott/sarkinfo.html";>http://www.sark.net/~xott/sarkinfo.html</A>
<BR>>> > But where you live is only one part of it, you
must also organize your <BR>>> > affairs properly.
<BR>>> <BR>>> NW: Gram, thanks for the interesting
info. However, from what I <BR>gathered, <BR>>if
<BR>>> you have a medical <BR>>> emergency, you are
dead meat. Enjoying major theater or cultural events <BR>is
<BR>>very <BR>>> unlikely without traveling to Paris or
London. Traveling anywhere in the <BR>>world
<BR>>> is a major production, as you have to travel one
hour by boat just to <BR>>connect to <BR>>> other boats
to take you where you could get an airplane. You can only
<BR>>swim in <BR>>> your pool and then only for a few
months before it gets cold. Sark sounds <BR>>quaint
<BR>>> and cute, but what good is making more money via
sans taxes if you can't <BR>>enjoy <BR>>> life's
ementies? Do you have to actually live there or do you
just <BR>>establish <BR>>> residency and then live on a
tropical isle? <BR>>> <BR>>> Cheers, <BR>>>
<BR>>> Norman <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>>
<BR>>> > <BR>>> > <BR>>> >
-----Messaggio originale----- <BR>>> > Da: Eliot Kaplan
<eliot@xxxxxxx> <BR>>> > A:
<realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>RealTraders
<BR>><realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <BR>>> >
Data: 25/06/2000 19:31 <BR>>> > Oggetto: [RT] Re: R: R:
Re: Stocks and futures <BR>>> > <BR>>> >
>Gram, <BR>>> > > <BR>>> > >Thanks
for your response! <BR>>> > > <BR>>> >
>I guess the next logical question is: Where (what country
& <BR>>state/province) <BR>>> > >have you
found that is so resident/income friendly that no taxes are
<BR>>> > >required? <BR>>> > >
<BR>>> > >My wife is Canadian, so I often ponder
whether I could trade from <BR>there <BR>>> > with
<BR>>> > >significantly less taxes. <BR>>>
> > <BR>>> > >I could get residency through
her, and have often considered Vancouver <BR>>and
<BR>>> > >its environs a healthier alternative to
Southern CA, which is where I <BR>>am <BR>>> >
>now. <BR>>> > > <BR>>> > >The US
with its ever increasing legal controls, taxes, pollution and
<BR>>> > >overpopulation have certainly got me
looking at a potentially quieter, <BR>>more <BR>>> >
>hassle free existence across the border. <BR>>> >
> <BR>>> > >If only winter weren't so extreme!
<BR>>> > > <BR>>> > >Perhaps there are
no "perfect" places?! <BR>>> > >
<BR>>> > >So, where are you pray tell? <BR>>>
> > <BR>>> > >Eliot <BR>>> > >
<BR>>> > > <BR>>> > > <BR>>> >
> <BR>>> > >Eliot Kaplan <BR>>> > >
<BR>>> > >email: eliot@xxxxxxx <BR>>> >
>web: www.isu.com <BR>>> > > <BR>>> >
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ <BR>>>
> > <BR>>> > > <BR>>> > >>
From: "Gram" <gramario@xxxxxx> <BR>>> >
>> Reply-To: gramario@xxxxxx <BR>>> > >>
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 17:43:06 +0200 <BR>>> > >>
To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <BR>>> >
>> Subject: [RT] R: R: Re: Stocks and futures <BR>>>
> >> <BR>>> > >> <BR>>> >
>> Hi Eliot, <BR>>> > >> I apologise for
the fact that some people perhaps do not realise <BR>that
<BR>>I <BR>>> > >> neither live nor operate
from or within the US. <BR>>> > >> I long ago
decided that these costs had to be dealt with in order to
<BR>>be <BR>>> > free <BR>>> > >>
from some encumberances. I made my plan (much as most of us do
when <BR>>> > >> trading), and then took steps to
nurse and guide it to fruition. <BR>>> > >> I
have no interest in the IRS or any other institution and there
is <BR>>no <BR>>> > >> reason why they should
an interest in me.. <BR>>> > >> I am not a
"declared tax free" as you put it; my position is
<BR>>perfectly <BR>>> > >> legal. <BR>>>
> >> <BR>>> > >> As to your question:
<BR>>> > >> "Do you not get audited and
harassed by the IRS? There might be a <BR>few <BR>>> >
>> significant time, energy, and dollar costs in that,
no?" <BR>>> > >> <BR>>> > >>
The answer is, "No, I do not get audited nor harassed by
anyone. <BR>>Hence, <BR>>> > >> there are no
significant costs (whether they be of a time, energy, <BR>or
<BR>>a <BR>>> > >> dollar nature)."
<BR>>> > >> <BR>>> > >> Gram,
<BR>>> > >> <BR>>> > >>> Are
you just not paying taxes? <BR>>> > >>>
<BR>>> > >>> I presume this means you are
among the folks who believe you do not <BR>>need <BR>>>
> to <BR>>> > >>> pay, that the
Constitution or whatever "asks" for contributions but
<BR>>does <BR>>> > >> not <BR>>> >
>>> and doesn't have the right to "demand"
them. Is this so? <BR>>> > >>> <BR>>>
> >>> I've heard of the "declared tax free',
but, like many, I'm sure, <BR>>have a <BR>>> >
>> hard <BR>>> > >>> time believing that
just not paying would work, and not cause <BR>>> >
significant <BR>>> > >>> problems.
<BR>>> > >>> <BR>>> > >>>
Want to enlighten us on what you mean? And how long you've done
it <BR>>> > >>> successfully. <BR>>>
> >>> <BR>>> > >>> Your point
about other trading costs being insignificant in <BR>relation
<BR>>to <BR>>> > >>> taxes is clearly so,
but I'm sure many of us have a hard time with <BR>>the
<BR>>> > idea <BR>>> > >>> we can
just walk away from taxes with no governmental recourse.
<BR>>> > >>> <BR>>> > >>> Do
you not get audited and harassed by the IRS? There might be a
<BR>few <BR>>> > >>> significant time, energy,
and dollar costs in that, no? <BR>>> > >>>
<BR>>> > >>> Just an interested citizen, and I
apologize to the list that this <BR>>> > inquiry
<BR>>> > >> is <BR>>> > >>>
perhaps off topic. <BR>>> > >>> <BR>>>
> >>> Eliot <BR>>> > >>>
<BR>>> > >>> <BR>>> > >>>
Eliot Kaplan <BR>>> > >>> <BR>>> >
>>> email: eliot@xxxxxxx <BR>>> > >>>
web: www.isu.com <BR>>> > >>> <BR>>>
> >>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
<BR>>> > >>> <BR>>> > >>>
<BR>>> > >>>> From: "Gram"
<gramario@xxxxxx> <BR>>> > >>>>
Reply-To: gramario@xxxxxx <BR>>> > >>>>
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 07:39:18 +0200 <BR>>> >
>>>> To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<BR>>> > >>>> Subject: [RT] R: Re: Stocks
and futures <BR>>> > >>>> <BR>>> >
>>>> So many people spend time comparing brokers
commissions, data <BR>>feeds, <BR>>> > etc.
<BR>>> > >>>> which do indeed eat into
their trading profits. But instead of <BR>>> > >>
concentrating <BR>>> > >>>> solely on
trading costs, look at it the other way for a moment:
<BR>>> > eliminate <BR>>> > >>>>
all tax, all accountants, all paperwork, inheritance taxes,
<BR>Capital <BR>>> > Gains <BR>>> >
>>>> and all corporate taxes and see what this does
to your trading <BR>P&L. <BR>>> > >>>>
Try thinking of it as $1 earned = $1 kept. It is much easier to
<BR>>become <BR>>> > a <BR>>> >
>>>> millionaire this way. <BR>>> >
>>>> If you save 30+% a year on such costs, the
choice between CQG or <BR>>> > >> Quote.com
<BR>>> > >>>> becomes easier. You choose
the best there is for your needs! <BR>>> >
>>>> Just an idea. <BR>>> >
>>>> Gram. <BR>>> > >>>>
<BR>>> > >>>> <BR>>> >
>>>> <BR>>> > >>> <BR>>>
> >>> <BR>>> > >>> <BR>>>
> >> <BR>>> > >> <BR>>> >
>> <BR>>> > > <BR>>> > >
<BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>> <BR>>
<BR>>
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