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John makes a good point. If we want to change the manner in which our
government handles it's affairs and the manner in which their actions ripple
down and affect the general population we can only accomplish that through
the power of the vote.
The downside is that the U.S. has not been a democracy for many years. Our
supposedly "elected" officials do not vote the mind of the people, they vote
the minds of the lobbyists and big business who are willing and able to
purchase their votes. Quite simply put, we (the general population) cannot
possibly believe that our vote actually counts on major issues (i.e.:
anything related to taxes or the IRS). The IRS is above any law that we the
people have any remote possibility of changing. Politics is a filthy,
corrupt and totally self serving occupation that has evolved far beyond the
control or accountability of the American population (voters, common folk,
etc.). If we do not like the manner in which taxes are levied in this
country then we have one alternative......Leave. We the people have
absolutely no influence or remote possibility in the alteration of the
manner in which the IRS controls or taxes our income. This s not a
pessimistic attitude it is merely clearing away the window dressing and
stating the facts as they exist today.
Wishing everyone great success in your trading ventures.
----- Original Message -----
From: "JW" <jw@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 10:54 AM
Subject: [RT] RE: RE: Re: stop paying income taxes
> As Tonto said to the Lone Ranger "What you mean WE,..." <g>
>
> JW
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Manasco [mailto:john@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 5:52 AM
> To: jw@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [RT] RE: Re: stop paying income taxes
>
>
> Lets not forget the tax code was written by politicians WE
> elected to
> office. This whining about taxes always seems to forget that
> this is a
> government run by the people. That's us! So in effect we
> ourselves wrote the
> tax code. When we decide to take full responsibility for
> what we have done
> then and only then can we change it. So far we always seem
> to blame our lot
> on "the other guy" or some omnipotent power in Washington
> that we have no
> control over. It just ain't so.
>
> John Manasco
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: JW <jw@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 1:31 AM
> Subject: [RT] RE: Re: stop paying income taxes
>
>
> > CB - A vote for sanity. Good post!
> >
> > BUT. I think that most people don't/won't mind paying
> > reasonable taxes based on a reasonable tax code where
> > everyone [mostly] pays their fair share (there will always
> > be holes and exceptions). The problem with the US tax
> code
> > as it exists today is that it panders mainly to special
> > interests and corporations who have the lobbying power to
> > influence what Congress votes on.
> >
> > As such, it is now one big mess. In fact, a good analogy
> of
> > the tax code might be similar to a software program. By
> the
> > time you get to release 10, you have built layer upon
> layer
> > on top of the original program. Whatever and however
> > release 1.0 was built is the constraining factor that
> > carries through all future work. Each subsequent
> > modification introduces additional constraints and
> > limitations. At some point, the only "real" solution is
> to
> > wipe the slate clean and start over again. Hopefully,
> > someday, someway, somehow <g> a way will be found to force
> > our politicians to do just that with the existing tax
> code.
> >
> > JW
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: listmanager@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:listmanager@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > Behalf Of cb
> > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 9:31 PM
> > To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [RT] Re: stop paying income taxes
> >
> >
> > itradesp@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > >
> > > I'd like to hear from anyone who takes the time
> to
> > look at these 2
> > > web sites. I found them to be very interesting and worth
> > the time to
> > > research further..
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > > http://www.paynoincometax.com
> > >
> > > http://www.zeroincometax.com
> >
> >
> > I'd be happy if my income taxes were lower. Like most I'd
> > like to take
> > legitimate deductions.
> >
> > But, I think anyone who is unwilling to pay the taxes,
> ought
> > to move
> > from the US. Or, stay here but make sure you drive on no
> > roads, take no
> > medicine that even indirectly came from research supported
> > by the NIH,
> > never listen to the weather, drink only water that's not
> > tested by
> > government agencies for purity, never read any material
> from
> > the USDA
> > before you farm or trade corn, etc.
> >
> > Conrad Bowers
> >
> >
>
>
>
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