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[RT] FUTR: E-mini Stops



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With volatility like this, there is an increasing chance that e-mini stops 
might not get filled, so it may be a good time to watch them closely and make 
sure they got filled.  Don't assume.

Some firms send e-mini stops to the CME Order Manager Server, which holds 
them for execution until the price is hit, then routes them to Globex2.  
There is a trick here though because of the way the Order Manager works.  The 
Order Manager looks at the last print of a trade previous to the order being 
accepted by Globex2.  My FCM has the limit set on stops and market orders for 
2 full points on the e-mini S&P.  Thus, Globex2 will execute the order no 
worse than 2 points from the last trade, if it can at all.  

Given the speed that the market sometimes moves in heavy volume like this, 
the last price trade in Globex2 could be even worse than your stop level when 
your stop is routed to Globex2 for execution.  This means a stop at 146500 
could be filled at 147000 if the last price hit was 146600.  

Perhaps a trader is more likely to experience this in the e-mini Nasdaq where 
the air pockets occur more often.

The alternative is to use a stop limit.  Firms that accept stop limits more 
often than not route those orders directly to Globex2 for execution.  The 
stop and the limit price can be set by the trader to match the existing 
conditions.  However, as with the stops sent to the Order Manager, there is 
no assurance your stop limit will be filled if the market skips right over 
your prices.

Some firms send market orders to the CME Order Manager for execution.  My FCM 
uses it and again sets the 2 point limit on e-mini S&Ps and 4 points on 
e-mini Nasdaqs.  It is good to keep in mind that market orders are just these 
modified limit orders in many if not most cases.  If you don't get a fill 
right away, you order may be working as a limit.  My system will not allow me 
to cancel replace a market order, so the market order must be canceled and 
confirmed out (just takes seconds) before a new order can be entered. 

Days like this are when you want to sit up straight in your chair and make 
sure you double check everything.  Assume nothing.

Regards,

John J. Lothian

Disclosure: Futures trading involves financial risk, lots of it!

Disclosure: John J. Lothian is the President of the Electronic Trading 
Division of  The Price Futures Group, Inc., an Introducing Broker.