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In a message dated 3/14/00 2:16:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
OnWingsOfEagles@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:

<< Ben, at your convenience.
 
 Questions:
 
 Below makes you net long 4 contracts at 1300 and flat at 1400.
 
 Assuming June SP opens some AM at 1290 after closing at (say) 1320.
 
 - What protection does this strategy serve in gap limit down move when
 options are closed?
 - What is "overnight" in reference to? This seems like an initial move.
 - How do you change if after gap down open at 1290 it continues south and
 next limit open is 1200, where you are not filled due to order overflow?
 
 
 Thanks
 
 Gitanshu >>
Good  afternoon  Gitanshu
Nice to hear from you
Lets start from the beginning
i was  long  4 SP  and got stopped out of my long  2@xxxx  1@xxxx  and 1@xxxx
that  morning my broker had a fax from me with above  stops

he also had the instructions  to sell short  1@xxxx  1 @1403 and 1 @1400 and 
last@xxxx

at the close  of yeasterday  and since i never stay naked overnight he bought 
 4 April 1400 calls at 9750  ($39000)
and sold the 8 May   1300 puts  at  5000  each  (taking in aprox  $40000)

normally at falling market one would not dream of being short puts, however  
i am  short  4 SP!!
if market  opens  next day   25 points lower  and continue to go lower,,   i 
have in the morning fax to broker  to  buy back the  8  puts (at a loss)
THE LOSS IS APROX   50%  OF THE GAIN FROM THE  SHORT SP   because  it is 
still 50 points from   being in the money,,

next he replaces  them with   8  May  1275  puts,,

(this is done  every 25 points move in the June contract)
so as of tonight for example  (if the transaction was done)
lets calculate  were i am:
the profit on he  short  4 futures is   (if  we close at  1380)  is  
86*250=$21500
the  4 Apr  1400 calls are @7250 or  =$29000
the  8  May  1300 puts are@xxxx or  =$51000
the  may  1275 puts bring in   5000*8=40000
so net net   ahead  $10000  minus comm

if  i do nothing  then my Max profit is   1300  on the short,,
and my Max  loss is   6  SP points  (1406+1403+1400+1397)-  4*1400  ,,    
there is never a  problem in a falling market because you are short the 
future  but willing to accept  a  Max profit potential,,
if market takes off
your  Max loss is  6 SP points plus comm and  the beauty is that the higher 
the market goes
the more money you make (long 1400 calls and short 1300 puts!!),,
hope this helps
Ben