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class=999483509-24012000>Re-post of attempted post...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Mindspring
[mailto:blee7@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]<BR><B>Sent:</B> 24 January 2000
04:35<BR><B>To:</B> r-hodge@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RT] RE: SP
500 Neural Network Prediction Charts<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=3><FONT
face=Arial>Robert,</FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=3></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>I have tried 3 times unsuccessfully to post the
answers to your questions on RT. Anyway, for your sake at least, here they
are: </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=""><SPAN class=906481610-22012000><FONT
size=3><FONT face=Arial>>Interesting charts and out-of-sample stats...Perhaps
you could give us a feel for</FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=3><FONT color=#0000ff face=""><SPAN class=906481610-22012000> what your
networks predict.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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size=3><FONT face=Arial></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=3> </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=3><FONT face=Arial>The models are attempting
to forecast tomorrow's change, if any, in a multi-day lookback of the
acceleration of the S&P 500 futures market.</FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT
face=Arial><FONT size=3></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=3><FONT
face=Arial></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=3> </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=""><SPAN class=906481610-22012000><FONT
size=3><FONT face=Arial>>I see you use Bio-comp Profit. Do you like
it?</FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=3></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=""><SPAN class=906481610-22012000><FONT
size=3><FONT face=Arial></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=3> </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=3><FONT face=Arial>Yes I do like it. I
selected it over competing programs (namely Neuroshell Trader)
because</FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=3><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=3><FONT
face=Arial></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=3><FONT
color=#000000></FONT> </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=3><FONT face=Arial> 1) It was
highly recommended by the Journal of Computational Intelligence in Finance (no
longer in publication) just before my purchase.</FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT
face=Arial><FONT size=3><FONT color=#000000></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=3><FONT face=Arial> 2) The 60 day
money-back guarantee.</FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=3><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=3><FONT face=Arial> 3) The
excellant discussion forum for registered users. One or two users in the
customer discussion area are contributors to articles in Futures magazine and
</FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=3><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=3><FONT
face=Arial> I believe they also may be
beta testers of Profit.</FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=3><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=3><FONT
face=Arial></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=3><FONT
color=#000000> 4) They offered neural nets developed with genetic
algorithms and Neuroshell Trader did not have that capability then (it now
does).</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=3><FONT face=Arial> 5) and most
important of all, they were the only firm I could find at the time (and I
believe this is still true today) who believes in their product so much
that</FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=3><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=3><FONT
face=Arial> they post real-time trading model
results. All of which, since I have been viewing their site, have been
profitable. If you purchase Profit, they reveal all
</FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=3></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=3><FONT
face=Arial> of the model inputs and outputs of
many of their posted real-time models.</FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT
face=Arial><FONT size=3></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=3><FONT
face=Arial></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=3><FONT
color=#000000></FONT> </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=""><FONT size=3><FONT face=Arial>I am tempted to
purchase Neuroshell Trader just to see what their product has to offer,
especially with their money-back offer. One of the users in the discussion
area plans to test BioComp's Profit and Neuralshell Trader head-to-head.
He's been planning this for a while but has yet to complete the project.
Visit http://www.wildcattrader.com/
to see a recent commercial site developed by a Profit user (again, I have no
affiliation with this site). It's not updated to the public often. I
have to use the Reload/Refresh browser icon to get the page to update when they
do make their infrequent changes. Also, I'm interested in any web site
that uses neural nets to forecast the financial markets. Please let me
know of any you like out there.</FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=3></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=""><SPAN class=906481610-22012000><FONT
size=3><FONT face=Arial></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=3> </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=""><SPAN class=906481610-22012000><FONT
size=3><FONT face=Arial>>And, how do you feel about trading this model...how
will you know when it (they) no longer works and should not be
traded?</FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=3></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=""><SPAN class=906481610-22012000><FONT
size=3><FONT face=Arial></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=3> </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=3><FONT face=Arial>There are no hard and
fast rules here. Some in the discussion group have suggested applying an
exponentially weighted average (EMA) to the equity curve (This can be performed
easily on the chart in Profit). Once the equity curve falls below the EMA,
cease trading the model until its performance passes above the EMA. Of
course, there are an infintite number of potential rules and each person must
apply his/her own personal preferences.</FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT
face=Arial><FONT size=3></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=3><FONT face=Arial>Brian
Lee</FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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RT,
I apologize for causing any controversy or disruption of this list
during the past few days. .
This apology in no way should be taken to lend any credibility to
those who made false
accusations about me.
To save us all alot of valuable time, if you don't like what
someone is doing, tell them about it privately. If they don't fix it,
tell the management privately. Keeping complaints private should greatly
reduce any problems and save everyone alot of time.
Thank you very much to everyone who contributed to the tremendous
out pouring of support I received. It's nice to know I am appreciated.
Apologetically,
Norman
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