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<font size=3>Realtraders, <br>
<br>
As many of you know, we have had a little bit of a problem in the
recent past regarding a member(s) who were blatantly advertising a
product through the RealTrader's Email Forum. We apologize to all our
members who have had to read such posts and the subsequent follow-up
messages. Therefore, in an attempt to avoid such situations in the
future, please read the below messages regarding advertising.<br>
<br>
Please note, these policies were first written nearly 3 years ago
(with only a slight change in verbiage) but still apply today.<br>
<br>
Thank you, <br>
John Boggio - RT Moderator<br>
PS The below message is broken up into two parts. <br>
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ <br>
Part I<br>
RealTraders:<br>
<br>
If you sell a trading related product of some kind and are a
participant in these discussions on RealTraders, please refrain from
using this forum as a way to sell your product without first reading our
Advertising Guideline To Vendors (see below). A violation of
our advertising policy could result in a termination your membership in
this Forum.<br>
<br>
Now we don't want to create an atmosphere of paranoia with respect
to subtle differences when it comes to the method of posting such
messages to the Forum. But we can't help but notice the number of
complaints we have received from RealTrading members. This is incredibly
unfair to the other vendors/members on this list who follow both the
letter and spirit of our policy and we commend those vendors for their
restraint. <br>
<br>
<br>
Anyway, if you're a member who wants this discussion to stay clean
of advertising, then please support our efforts by letting us know about
blatant attempts to bypass our advertising policies. Further, to those
vendors who we continually receive complaints about, you will be notified
of such and this will act as a warning to you. If we continue to receive
subsequent complaints, we will be forced to remove you from our
Forum.<br>
<br>
PART II - Guidelines to the Vendors<br>
<br>
RealTraders,<br>
<br>
In an attempt to accommodate all members (and vendors) in this
Forum, we have created<br>
guidelines to assist RealTraders who are <b>genuinely</b> trying to
educate the members of this <br>
Forum about a methodology, system, or software program that is for sale
or has the potential to be <br>
sold. The reason for this is that we don't want to snuff out
information that RealTrading members may find useful, just because there
is a commercial product associated with it. <br>
<br>
Therefore, here is our policy about commercialism in RealTraders:
<br>
1) <b><u>No one is allowed to post blatant commercial messages on
RealTraders. <br>
There is, nor will there be any change to this rule, in the
future.</b></u> <br>
<br>
2) <b>Very Important</b>: Since RealTraders is about traders
educating and learning from each other, the ban on commercial messages
should not impinge upon the flow of information that is potentially
educational. Therefore, you can post messages of an <b>educational
nature</b>, whether or not you have a product <br>
associated with it, <u>as long as you maintain the intent of educating
people and/or communicating useful information</u>. However, please read
point #3 directly below as to the <b>only acceptable method</b> of making
reference to your product or service.<br>
<br>
3. <b><u>YOUR METHOD OF INFORMING OTHER REALTRADERS ABOUT YOUR PRODUCT OR
SERVICE IS THROUGH THE ADDRESS OF YOUR HOMEPAGE (URL LINK). </b></u>THIS
URL SHOULD SIMPLY BE PLACED BELOW YOUR SIGNATURE AND NO REFERENCE SHOULD
BE MADE TO IT OR YOUR PRODUCT OR SERVICE. WE HAVE AN INTELLIGENT GROUP OF
TRADERS IN THIS FORUM, AND THEY ARE SMART ENOUGH TO GO TO THE URL IF THEY
WANT FURTHER INFORMATION. <br>
<br>
If you wish to post messages on RealTraders which refer to a
product or service that you have available for sale, but you're not sure
whether you're falling within the guidelines, here are some tips to
follow before hitting the send button: <br>
<br>
1) Always try to post signals from your system on RealTraders, IN ADVANCE
OF THE EXPECTED MOVE, or give a current market analysis of your
projection. That is information that many members will find useful and
interesting. But remember, you must remain educational with respect to
your forecast/analysis.<br>
<br>
2) You must describe your methodology. How does it work? How can other
people apply it right now? Keeping in mind that you are trying to educate
us. Suggestion, consider writing up an explanation of your methodology or
"How to use and interpret it" and include it at the bottom of
your post.<br>
<br>
3) <b>Important</b>: If your product is a ‘BLACK BOX’ type, whose
methodology you don't want to reveal, then DON'T bother talking about it
on RealTraders. Doing so will constitute a blatant advertisement.<br>
<br>
4) Be factual and quantitative in describing your methodology. Don't use
a lot of adjectives or hyperbole which are telltale signs of commercial
posts.<br>
<br>
5) Be coldly objective and point out both the pros and cons. If you tell
us only what's good about your methodology, then you sound like you're
trying to sell us something. Tell us the drawbacks and what we have to be
careful about as well. (You will get more respect from everybody if you
do this anyway).<br>
<br>
6) Past performance statistics are the fuel that propels most system
advertising; much of it is B.S. Therefore, you aren't doing us a big
favor by featuring it in your post. You will impress us, however, if you
<br>
post real time signals! <br>
<br>
7) Rule of thumb: The amount of practical and useful information, or lack
thereof, in your post is inversely proportional to the probability that
your message will be viewed as being commercial in nature. <br>
<br>
<b><u>NOTE</b></u>: Members who reply to vendors have an
important role to play as well. If individuals become curious and seek
more information regarding a product, please begin/continue your
discussions with that individual using THE PRIVATE EMAIL CHANNELS. Thus
keeping any "sales" communication off of <br>
RealTraders. <br>
<br>
<b>So essentially what does all this mean</b>. If you are a
vendor, you are going to have to be willing to share, educate and
instruct your fellow members on RealTraders with respect to your
methodology and forecasts. This includes being open about what
indicator or oscillators you are using and how one would interpret
them. This might not sound fair but then again this Forum is
privately owned and you are essentially getting free publicity, but at a
price of being more open then you have ever been regarding your system or
service. And then, all you get to do is list your URL link below
your name. In return, you get to educate your fellow traders in hopes
that they will some day buy or join your service. <b>No teasers of any
sort will be allowed</b>. <b>Be willing to share or don't bother
trying to sell your product in this Forum!<br>
<br>
</b> Finally, since there is a constant addition to the members
list of RealTraders, we will be reposting this message on a regular
basis. <br>
<br>
Thank you, <br>
John Boggio <br>
Hyrum Paulsen<br>
<br>
Special thanks to JW, Eddie Kwong and Ed Kasanjian for their contribution
to this <br>
policy change. <br>
<br>
<br>
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Subject: 20 year charts
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>List,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Friday I requested sites that had 20 years of
historical futures data. Thanks for all the kind replys. Here is a
list of the sites that were sent to me:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="http://www.tradingtactics.com/exchange_data.htm";>http://www.tradingtactics.com/exchange_data.htm</A>
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="http://www.fyii.net/chart.htm";>http://www.fyii.net/chart.htm</A>
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="http://www.chartingyourfutures.com/historicworksheet.htm";>http://www.chartingyourfutures.com/historicworksheet.htm</A><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="http://www.barchart.com";>www.barchart.com</A> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT size=2><A
href="http://www.chdwk.com/data/futures.html";>http://www.chdwk.com/data/futures.html</A>
</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="http://www.traders.com/documentation/links/LGPC.html";>http://www.traders.com/documentation/links/LGPC.html</A>
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks to Bryant, Sheley, Joe, Gary, Dennis,
Howard, Steve, Bob, Frank, and Rick in Moscow (& anyone I
forgot),</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> </DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Steve Karnish<BR>Cedar Creek Trading<BR><A
href="http://www.cedarcreektrading.com";>http://www.cedarcreektrading.com</A></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>List,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Friday I requested sites that had 20 years of
historical futures data. Thanks for all the kind replys. Here is a
list of the sites that were sent to me:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="http://www.tradingtactics.com/exchange_data.htm";>http://www.tradingtactics.com/exchange_data.htm</A>
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="http://www.fyii.net/chart.htm";>http://www.fyii.net/chart.htm</A>
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="http://www.chartingyourfutures.com/historicworksheet.htm";>http://www.chartingyourfutures.com/historicworksheet.htm</A><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="http://www.barchart.com";>www.barchart.com</A> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT size=2><A
href="http://www.chdwk.com/data/futures.html";>http://www.chdwk.com/data/futures.html</A>
</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="http://www.traders.com/documentation/links/LGPC.html";>http://www.traders.com/documentation/links/LGPC.html</A>
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks to Bryant, Sheley, Joe, Gary, Dennis,
Howard, Steve, Bob, Frank, and Rick in Moscow (& anyone I
forgot),</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> </DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Steve Karnish<BR>Cedar Creek Trading<BR><A
href="http://www.cedarcreektrading.com";>http://www.cedarcreektrading.com</A></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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I've been waiting a long time to look to short these two stocks. The
main problem is waiting for the right news and for investors to wake
up. I didn't want to go short because the stock was, in my thoughts too
high.
AMZN: Reported in Barrons Jan 24, 2000 page MW5. " On Friday, CNBC
reported rumors that the company may require additional financing given
its sizable losses and expectations the heavy losses would continue.
The company, however, did have ample cash reserves of $905 million at
the end of the third quarter. There also were Internet chat page rumors
that AMZN is getting ready to announce layoffs. Any layoffs could be
the result of the normal seasonal downturn in orders after Christmas.
Investors now are nervously awaiting its earnings report, which is due
February 2."
I am waiting for AMZN to break below the 55 5/16 level. But may watch it
bounce up to $73 3/4
RHAT: Insiders are selling and volume is haveing a hard time reaching
the Avg. Vol ( according to Yahoo detail charts). The highest Volume
was on 8/11/99 of 35 million shares.
Has been bounceing off of the 25% line for a while, looking for this to
bounce off of the 50% a couple of times then short.
Would like this to happen sooner than later,
Joe Frabosilio
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