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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>this looks great -&nbsp;EXCEPT as you're suggesting 
you need to test it on a LOT more data to be statistically valid. Depends on how 
solid the market theory is behind it. You will be unhappy going forward with a 
system based on a highly tuned set of indicators . Also note that you'll want 
to&nbsp;calculate the position size, targets and stops according to the 
volatility to give meaningful runup/drawdown numbers with a longer-term 
backtest. This means forget about built-in TS stops/targets.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In fact I'd forget them anyway,&nbsp;if only to be 
sure you don't suffer from the famous "bouncing tick" assumption. (Whereing the 
trades are&nbsp;NOT reproducible in real time. It's a cottage industry - in fact 
I know a web site where they sell systems like this for a couple hundred 
bucks!)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I can an send SP continuous contract if you like - 
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>rgds phil</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
href="http://www.patterntrader.com";>http://www.patterntrader.com</A></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE 
style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A href="mailto:jd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
  title=jd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Jonathan s Dempster</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
  href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
  title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 19, 2000 2:49 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [RT] FUTR: trading 
systems.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>Group,&nbsp;&nbsp;find attached summary of&nbsp; END OF 
  DAY&nbsp;&nbsp; trading system on Dow, i would like those&nbsp; who take an 
  interest to highlight&nbsp; the&nbsp; Weakness&nbsp; and any potential 
  strenghts.&nbsp; I realise the data&nbsp; is only 3&nbsp; years&nbsp; 
  duration, and the bull&nbsp; run,&nbsp; and there is also a&nbsp; 6 
  (month&nbsp;due to theft ) gap in that, so effectively&nbsp; there&nbsp; 
  is&nbsp; 30&nbsp; months of&nbsp; daily price activity on which these 
  hypothectical results are based, so if anyone&nbsp; has&nbsp; a&nbsp; end of 
  day&nbsp; o,h,l,c&nbsp;&nbsp; data&nbsp; for the DAILY dow and they could send 
  it&nbsp; that would be great,&nbsp; say from todays close&nbsp; going back 12 
  months, that would fill&nbsp; the gap in my data and enable me to see how 
  it&nbsp; did on on the missing months, until i get a new data&nbsp; supplier 
  arranged,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>Data&nbsp; used&nbsp; is&nbsp; END OF 
DAY,&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;Omega supercharts. </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;DA----Y-Daily&nbsp;&nbsp; 10/02/96 - 
  06/30/99&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;Performance Summary:&nbsp; All Trades&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>Total net profit&nbsp;$&nbsp; 42040.00&nbsp;Open position 
  P/L&nbsp;$&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.00<BR>Gross 
  profit&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;$&nbsp; 47680.00&nbsp;Gross 
  loss&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;$&nbsp; -5640.00</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>Total # of trades&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  28&nbsp;Percent profitable&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 57%<BR>Number 
  winning trades&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 16&nbsp;Number losing 
  trades&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 12</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>Largest winning trade&nbsp;$&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  2980.00&nbsp;Largest losing trade&nbsp;$&nbsp; -2220.00<BR>Average winning 
  trade&nbsp;$&nbsp;&nbsp; 2980.00&nbsp;Average losing trade&nbsp;$&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  -470.00<BR>Ratio avg win/avg loss&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  6.34&nbsp;Avg trade(win &amp; loss)&nbsp;$&nbsp;&nbsp; 1501.43</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>Max consec. 
  winners&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 4&nbsp;Max consec. 
  losers&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 4<BR>Avg # bars in 
  winners&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 9&nbsp;Avg # bars in 
  losers&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 4</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>Max intraday drawdown&nbsp;$&nbsp; -4176.80&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  <BR>Profit factor&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  8.45&nbsp;Max # contracts held&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  1<BR>Account size required&nbsp;$&nbsp;&nbsp; 4176.80&nbsp;Return on 
  account&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1007%</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2><BR>&nbsp;Performance Summary:&nbsp; Long Trades&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>Total net profit&nbsp;$&nbsp; 42040.00&nbsp;Open position 
  P/L&nbsp;$&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.00<BR>Gross 
  profit&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;$&nbsp; 47680.00&nbsp;Gross 
  loss&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;$&nbsp; -5640.00</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>Total # of trades&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  28&nbsp;Percent profitable&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 57%<BR>Number 
  winning trades&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 16&nbsp;Number losing 
  trades&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 12</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>Largest winning trade&nbsp;$&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  2980.00&nbsp;Largest losing trade&nbsp;$&nbsp; -2220.00<BR>Average winning 
  trade&nbsp;$&nbsp;&nbsp; 2980.00&nbsp;Average losing trade&nbsp;$&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  -470.00<BR>Ratio avg win/avg loss&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  6.34&nbsp;Avg trade(win &amp; loss)&nbsp;$&nbsp;&nbsp; 1501.43</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>Max consec. 
  winners&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 4&nbsp;Max consec. 
  losers&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 4<BR>Avg # bars in 
  winners&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 9&nbsp;Avg # bars in 
  losers&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 4</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>Max intraday drawdown&nbsp;$&nbsp; -4176.80&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  <BR>Profit factor&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  8.45&nbsp;Max # contracts held&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  1<BR>Account size required&nbsp;$&nbsp;&nbsp; 4176.80&nbsp;Return on 
  account&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1007%</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT 
  size=2>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>2 trades exited on&nbsp; money&nbsp; management stops,&nbsp; 
  the other 10 being&nbsp; break even&nbsp; stops (less 120. slippage, 
  comm.)&nbsp; with floor&nbsp; @&nbsp;$ 550. </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>bouncing&nbsp; ticks&nbsp; @ 30%</DIV>
  <DIV>$120.&nbsp; slippage &amp; commission allowance.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>if&nbsp; anyone&nbsp; can provide any&nbsp; "general rules of&nbsp; 
  thumb" for&nbsp; evaluating&nbsp; simulated&nbsp; trading&nbsp; results, 
  or&nbsp;if&nbsp; anyone knows of any sources of good&nbsp; information 
  regarding&nbsp; pro's&nbsp; /con's&nbsp; of&nbsp; system&nbsp; trading&nbsp; 
  etc,&nbsp; that would be&nbsp; welcomed.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>Any&nbsp; comments,&nbsp; data assistance&nbsp;&nbsp; , 
  appreciated.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>Jonathan.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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I wanted to ask if anybody has a copy of SC4 end of day (y2k ok) that
they would like to sell.
Please email privatley. 

thanks
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