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----- Original Message -----
From: Bryce Gilmore & Associates bryce-@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: RealTraders realtrader-@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 6:30 PM
Subject: Fw: [RT] Re: Gann the method
> BG: I am not a member of realtraders but it will be interesting to see if they
> publish this.
> Bryce.
>
NW: Unfortunately for you Bryce, you got your wish. I shall now prove
that you don't know what you are talking about which will surely
reduce or erase your credibility as a supposed Gann expert. Please
see the rest of my reply after Bryce's post.
> Bryce Gilmore wrote:
To Real Traders,
>
> I hope this is not taken the wrong way by your members - and I
trust you
> will publish it to them for the sake of education.
>
> I am not against people who use astrology in the markets - but I
don't
know
> any who do who make any serious money from that angle.
>
> I got this copy of Norman's email relayed to me so I am not sure
which bus
> he is stepping off. But I do know that Gann was not an astrology
freak
only
> an observer of planetary phenomena in relation to natural cycles.
>
> Norman Winski or Norman if you allow me to be personal has a way of
exciting
> people into the mysterious, if Norman knows what Gann was about he
would
be
> a little less careless with his statements.
>
> Gann was about using the dynamic action of the market to find
resistance
and
> support, his planetary studies are related to seasonal time periods
between
> expected change in trend. When one goes into astrology the options
become
> limitless.
>
> So, my message is this, Anyone who believes Gann is based on
astrology
> should stand back and take another look. Teachers such as Norman W
who
claim
> Gann was all about astrology are using you and you will never be
able to
> check whether their claims have any validity, cause the astrology
aspect
> only repeats about every 25,000 years.
>
> Hope this is of use to your group.
> regards,
> Bryce Gilmore.
NW: I will now refer you and the list to a book that is commonly
available. Please retrieve a copy of Perry Kaufman's Trading Systems
& Methods, Copyright 1978, published by John Wiley & Sons, ISBN
0-471-03569-6. Please turn to page 202 where Kaufman shows a copy of
Gann's famous 1948 Soybean chart. Bryce, you see just to the right of
the left hand price axis, between 260 and 264? What is that curvey
funny looking "4" ? Could it be the glyph for Jupiter? Oh, you don't
think so? Ok, there is another funny 4 just a little bit higher and
about two inches to the right. This one has that funny 4 followed by
a "30" and an arrow pointing up and to the right. Bruce, if you knew
any Astrology, you would know that means that the funny looking 4 is
the glyph for Jupiter, the 30 means 30 degrees, an the arrow is the
glyph for the zodiacal sign Sagittarius. Still don't believe it? Just
check an ephemeris (table of planetary
tables - translated for pseudo Gann experts like Bryce) and you will
see that Jupiter was actually at that position at the time the chart
was drawn. To make a long analysis short, this type of stuff is all
over that chart. Jupiter, Mars, signs, etc. So, if Gann didn't use
Astrology, why did he bother to have hand drawn all those intricate
Astrological symbols on his Soybean chart? Oh, by the way, he shows
Mars
forming a conjunction with Jupiter right at the top of the Soybean
market. Gann's former partner, JC, with whom I spoke with, said Gann
went short there based on Astrology. JC also said that Gann was
"primarily Astrological". I later had JC confirmed as the real deal
by Billy Jones and Phyllis Kahn, both who were respected Gann experts
long before anyone had ever heard of a "Bryce". You can also read my
essay, "What You Need To Know About W.D. Gann" on this subject which
was published with a copy of Gann's Soybean chart with Astrological
indications all over it. As you can see from Kaufman's book, I didn't
plant those Astrological symbols on the chart. My essay was published
in Traders's World Magazine circa 1988 and is now offered as part of
their archive collection. You can check their website,
<http://www.tradersworld.com> find the archive index, and you will
see my name in issue #3 for "W.D. Gann and Astrology by Norman
Winski"..
So Bryce, I don't expect you to be transformed overnight. But,
perhaps if you do your homework, sometime in the near future, you
will realize the errors of your ways and decide to study Astrology. I
may even consider accepting you as my student. Then, you may be able
to honestly call yourself a Gann expert. Let me know how it goes.
Oh, if you thought the Soybean chart was just a one time fluke,
I have alot more of Gann's stuff with Astrological references. I
think you must have missed of few of my posting here. Try not to miss
class in the future. <G>
Cosmically,
Norman Winski
P.S. Bryce, membership in Realtraders is free, if you are a real
trader. <G> Oh my gosh! I just checked out Bryce's wavetrader
website, http://www.wavetrader.com ( nice plug, huh Bryce?) and found
the following.
"Planetary Research Module: Programmed into the Software.
Bryce's new book gives you the methodology and the software
gives you the
ways and means to research the effect of planetary phenomenon
on
markets!"
So Bryce, why are you using Astrology in your trading products and
then criticizing me for using it? Seems a bit hypocritical to me.
Case closed! Bryce, nice joke, guess you were just pullin my chain
huh?
----- Original Message -----
From: Bryce Gilmore & Associates bryce-@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: RealTraders realtrader-@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 6:30 PM
Subject: Fw: [RT] Re: Gann the method
> To Real Traders,
>
> I hope this is not taken the wrong way by your members - and I
trust you
> will publish it to them for the sake of education.
>
> I am not against people who use astrology in the markets - but I
don't
know
> any who do who make any serious money from that angle.
>
> I got this copy of Norman's email relayed to me so I am not sure
which bus
> he is stepping off. But I do know that Gann was not an astrology
freak
only
> an observer of planetary phenomena in relation to natural cycles.
>
> Norman Winski or Norman if you allow me to be personal has a way of
exciting
> people into the mysterious, if Norman knows what Gann was about he
would
be
> a little less careless with his statements.
>
> Gann was about using the dynamic action of the market to find
resistance
and
> support, his planetary studies are related to seasonal time periods
between
> expected change in trend. When one goes into astrology the options
become
> limitless.
>
> So, my message is this, Anyone who believes Gann is based on
astrology
> should stand back and take another look. Teachers such as Norman W
who
claim
> Gann was all about astrology are using you and you will never be
able to
> check whether their claims have any validity, cause the astrology
aspect
> only repeats about every 25,000 years.
>
> Hope this is of use to your group.
> regards,
> Bryce Gilmore.
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "nwinski" nwinsk-@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > To: vaugh00-@xxxxxxx
> > Cc: realtrader-@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 6:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: [RT] Re: Gann the method
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > vaugh00-@xxxxxxx wrote:
> > >
> > > > Of the several texts that address Gann's methods , which does
the
best
> > job
> > > > teaching the subject . What are the groups thoughts ?
thanks tom
> > vaughan
> > >
> > > Tom,
> > >
> > > Here is my Gann test. If the teacher doesn't know
Astrology, they
> > don't
> > > know Gann. That should
> > > eliminate a good portion of the Gann teachers and authors.
> > >
> > > Here is my Gann tip. Don't bother trying to learn Gann
until you
> have
> > a
> > > very good foundation in the basic principles of Astrology.
> > >
> > > You are welcome to contact me by private e-mail if you have
> questions,
> > want
> > > more information, or want to share some very funny jokes.
> > >
> > > Co(s)mically,
> > >
> > > Norman
> > >
> > >
> > > P.S. You will need a good sense of humor if you want to study
Gann's
> > writings.
> > > He loves to play with
> > > your brain. <G>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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From: Bryce Gilmore & Associates <A HREF="http://www.eGroups.com/person?protectID=014212180098056072015132001208006239018048234051197130114120";>bryce-@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>
</A>To: RealTraders <A HREF="http://www.eGroups.com/person?protectID=194056113078175209169223163148229165188105139234249130042143230056143076219176010";>realtrader-@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>
</A>Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 6:30 PM<BR>
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<PRE><FONT FACE="verdana,geneva,helvetica"><FONT SIZE=+0>BG: I am not a member of realtraders but it will be interesting to see if they
publish this.
Bryce.</FONT></FONT></PRE>
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NW: Unfortunately for you Bryce, you got your wish. I shall now prove that
you don't know what you are talking about which will surely reduce or erase
your credibility as a supposed Gann expert. Please see the rest of my reply
after Bryce's post.
<P><BR>
<BR>
<FONT FACE="verdana,geneva,helvetica"><FONT SIZE=+0>> Bryce Gilmore wrote:</FONT></FONT><FONT FACE="verdana,geneva,helvetica"><FONT SIZE=+0></FONT></FONT>
<P><FONT FACE="verdana,geneva,helvetica"><FONT SIZE=+0>
To Real Traders,<BR>
><BR>
> I hope this is not taken the wrong way by your members - and I trust
you<BR>
> will publish it to them for the sake of education.<BR>
><BR>
> I am not against people who use astrology in the markets - but I don't<BR>
know<BR>
> any who do who make any serious money from that angle.<BR>
><BR>
> I got this copy of Norman's email relayed to me so I am not sure which
bus<BR>
> he is stepping off. But I do know that Gann was not an astrology freak<BR>
only<BR>
> an observer of planetary phenomena in relation to natural cycles.<BR>
><BR>
> Norman Winski or Norman if you allow me to be personal has a way of<BR>
exciting<BR>
> people into the mysterious, if Norman knows what Gann was about he would<BR>
be<BR>
> a little less careless with his statements.<BR>
><BR>
> Gann was about using the dynamic action of the market to find resistance<BR>
and<BR>
> support, his planetary studies are related to seasonal time periods<BR>
between<BR>
> expected change in trend. When one goes into astrology the options become<BR>
> limitless.<BR>
><BR>
> So, my message is this, Anyone who believes Gann is based on astrology<BR>
> should stand back and take another look. Teachers such as Norman W who<BR>
claim<BR>
> Gann was all about astrology are using you and you will never be able
to<BR>
> check whether their claims have any validity, cause the astrology
aspect<BR>
> only repeats about every 25,000 years.<BR>
><BR>
> Hope this is of use to your group.<BR>
> regards,<BR>
> Bryce Gilmore.</FONT></FONT>
<P>NW: I will now refer you and the list to a book
that is commonly available. Please retrieve a copy of Perry Kaufman's Trading
Systems & Methods, Copyright 1978, published by John Wiley & Sons,
ISBN 0-471-03569-6. Please turn to page 202 where Kaufman shows a copy
of Gann's famous 1948 Soybean chart. Bryce, you see just to the right of
the left hand price axis, between 260 and 264? What is that curvey funny
looking "4" ? Could it be the glyph for Jupiter? Oh, you don't think so?
Ok, there is another funny 4 just a little bit higher and about two inches
to the right. This one has that funny 4 followed by a "30" and an arrow
pointing up and to the right. Bruce, if you knew any Astrology, you would
know that means that the funny looking 4 is the glyph for Jupiter, the
30 means 30 degrees, an the arrow is the glyph for the zodiacal sign Sagittarius.
Still don't believe it? Just check an ephemeris (table of planetary
<BR>tables - translated for pseudo Gann experts like Bryce) and you will
see that Jupiter was actually at that position at the time the chart was
drawn. To make a long analysis short, this type of stuff is all over
that chart. Jupiter, Mars, signs, etc. So, if Gann didn't use Astrology,
why did he bother to have hand drawn all those intricate Astrological symbols
on his Soybean chart? Oh, by the way, he shows Mars
<BR>forming a conjunction with Jupiter right at the top of the Soybean
market. Gann's former partner, JC, with whom I spoke with, said Gann went
short there based on Astrology. JC also said that Gann was
<BR>"primarily Astrological". I later had JC confirmed as the real deal
by Billy Jones and Phyllis Kahn, both who were respected Gann experts long
before anyone had ever heard of a "Bryce". You can also read my essay,
"What You Need To Know About W.D. Gann" on this subject which was
published with a copy of Gann's Soybean chart with Astrological indications
all over it. As you can see from Kaufman's book, I didn't plant those Astrological
symbols on the chart. My essay was published in Traders's World Magazine
circa 1988 and is now offered as part of their archive collection. You
can check their website, <http://www.tradersworld.com> find the archive
index, and you will see my name in issue #3 for "W.D. Gann and Astrology
by Norman Winski"..
<BR> So Bryce, I don't expect you to be transformed overnight.
But, perhaps if you do your homework, sometime in the near future, you
will realize the errors of your ways and decide to study Astrology. I
<BR>may even consider accepting you as my student. Then, you may be able
to honestly call yourself a Gann expert. Let me know how it goes.
<BR> Oh, if you thought the Soybean chart was just
a one time fluke, I have alot more of Gann's stuff with Astrological references.
I think you must have missed of few of my posting here. Try not to miss
class in the future. <G>
<P>Cosmically,
<P>Norman Winski
<P>P.S. Bryce, membership in Realtraders is free, if you are a real trader.
<G> Oh my gosh! I just checked out Bryce's wavetrader website,
http://www.wavetrader.com ( nice plug, huh Bryce?) and found the following.
<P>"Planetary Research Module: Programmed into the Software.
<P> Bryce's new book gives you the methodology
and the software gives you the
<BR> ways and means to research the effect
of planetary phenomenon on
<BR> markets!"
<P> So Bryce, why are you using Astrology in your trading products
and then criticizing me for using it? Seems a bit hypocritical to me. Case
closed! Bryce, nice joke, guess you were just pullin my chain huh?
<BR><BR>
<BR>
<FONT FACE="verdana,geneva,helvetica"><FONT SIZE=+0>----- Original Message
-----<BR>
From: Bryce Gilmore & Associates <A HREF="http://www.eGroups.com/person?protectID=014212180098056072015132001208006239018048234051197130114120";>bryce-@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>
</A>To: RealTraders <A HREF="http://www.eGroups.com/person?protectID=194056113078175209169223163148229165188105139234249130042143230056143076219176010";>realtrader-@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>
</A>Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 6:30 PM<BR>
Subject: Fw: [RT] Re: Gann the method<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> To Real Traders,<BR>
><BR>
> I hope this is not taken the wrong way by your members - and I trust
you<BR>
> will publish it to them for the sake of education.<BR>
><BR>
> I am not against people who use astrology in the markets - but I don't<BR>
know<BR>
> any who do who make any serious money from that angle.<BR>
><BR>
> I got this copy of Norman's email relayed to me so I am not sure which
bus<BR>
> he is stepping off. But I do know that Gann was not an astrology freak<BR>
only<BR>
> an observer of planetary phenomena in relation to natural cycles.<BR>
><BR>
> Norman Winski or Norman if you allow me to be personal has a way of<BR>
exciting<BR>
> people into the mysterious, if Norman knows what Gann was about he would<BR>
be<BR>
> a little less careless with his statements.<BR>
><BR>
> Gann was about using the dynamic action of the market to find resistance<BR>
and<BR>
> support, his planetary studies are related to seasonal time periods<BR>
between<BR>
> expected change in trend. When one goes into astrology the options become<BR>
> limitless.<BR>
><BR>
> So, my message is this, Anyone who believes Gann is based on astrology<BR>
> should stand back and take another look. Teachers such as Norman W who<BR>
claim<BR>
> Gann was all about astrology are using you and you will never be able
to<BR>
> check whether their claims have any validity, cause the astrology
aspect<BR>
> only repeats about every 25,000 years.<BR>
><BR>
> Hope this is of use to your group.<BR>
> regards,<BR>
> Bryce Gilmore.<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
> > ----- Original Message -----<BR>
> > From: "nwinski" <A HREF="http://www.eGroups.com/person?protectID=091143020185099182036218066140021130177222139241039060172150141050004";>nwinsk-@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>
</A>> > To: <A HREF="http://www.eGroups.com/person?protectID=251166044108042213074175203140176130071179066034";>vaugh00-@xxxxxxx<BR>
</A>> > Cc: <A HREF="http://www.eGroups.com/person?protectID=194056113078175209169223163148229165039248196179043239114038073002158076086020224";>realtrader-@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>
</A>> > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 6:59 PM<BR>
> > Subject: Re: [RT] Re: Gann the method<BR>
> ><BR>
> ><BR>
> > ><BR>
> > ><BR>
> > > vaugh00-@xxxxxxx
wrote:<BR>
> > ><BR>
> > > > Of the several texts that address Gann's methods , which does the<BR>
best<BR>
> > job<BR>
> > > > teaching the subject . What are the groups thoughts
? thanks tom<BR>
> > vaughan<BR>
> > ><BR>
> > > Tom,<BR>
> > ><BR>
> > > Here is my Gann test. If the teacher
doesn't know Astrology, they<BR>
> > don't<BR>
> > > know Gann. That should<BR>
> > > eliminate a good portion of the Gann teachers and authors.<BR>
> > ><BR>
> > > Here is my Gann tip. Don't bother trying
to learn Gann until you<BR>
> have<BR>
> > a<BR>
> > > very good foundation in the basic principles of Astrology.<BR>
> > ><BR>
> > > You are welcome to contact me by private
e-mail if you have<BR>
> questions,<BR>
> > want<BR>
> > > more information, or want to share some very funny jokes.<BR>
> > ><BR>
> > > Co(s)mically,<BR>
> > ><BR>
> > > Norman<BR>
> > ><BR>
> > ><BR>
> > > P.S. You will need a good sense of humor if you want to study Gann's<BR>
> > writings.<BR>
> > > He loves to play with<BR>
> > > your brain. <G><BR>
> > ><BR>
> > ><BR>
> > ><BR>
> ><BR>
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