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A pivot is the highest or lowest value occurring in <strength bars>.

Strength is the number of bars either side of the pivot. Pivots may be
identified on closing basis (line on close chart) or range basis
(traditional high/low/close chart). Pivot identification is extremely
simple, except that some special rules come into play when gaps or flats
(consecutive identical values) occur.

I'm attaching a couple of previous posts on this subject.

Perhaps you need to take another look at Edwards & Magee, pivots are
essential to their material.

Earl

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Subject: Are Pivots like Pornography?


> I checked several of my references such as Edwards & Magee, Pring's
Technical
> Analysis Explained, and Achelis' Technical Analysis from A to Z, however,
I
> have not been able to find a discussion of "pivots".  I have seen them
> mentioned on realtraders numerous times, but, I am not sure I would
recognize
> one if I saw it.  Can someone provide a concise description of how to
> recognize and use a pivot?
>
> Thanks
> Dan
> Pocatello, ID

From: "Earl Adamy" <eadamy@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: "RealTraders Discussion Group" <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Identifying Pivots (wad Dow Theory Applied)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 06:35:29 -0600
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Subject: Re: Identifying Pivots (wad Dow Theory Applied)
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<DIV>I've had a couple of emails regarding pivot identification rules 4a and 4b 
- here are visual examples where strength is specified as 2 bars either side of 
pivot:</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>4a (TrueHigh)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New"><FONT size=2>x</FONT></FONT><FONT 
size=2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New"><FONT size=2>x</FONT></FONT><FONT 
size=2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New"><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
x&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;invalid pivot bar 5: TrueHigh gap 
1-2</FONT></FONT><FONT size=2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New"><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; x x 
x</FONT></FONT><FONT size=2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New"><FONT size=2>&nbsp; x x&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; x 
x</FONT></FONT><FONT size=2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New"><FONT size=2>&nbsp; 
x&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; x</FONT></FONT><FONT 
size=2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New"><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT><FONT 
size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>4b (flat)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New"><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; x x x 
x&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;valid pivot bar 4, validated bar at 8</FONT></FONT><FONT 
size=2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New"><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp; x x x x x 
x</FONT></FONT><FONT size=2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New"><FONT size=2>x x&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; x x x 
x</FONT></FONT><FONT size=2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New"><FONT 
size=2>x&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; x</FONT></FONT><FONT 
size=2></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Earl</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;&gt;Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 06:35:29 -0600<BR>&gt;&gt;Reply-To: <A 
href="mailto:eadamy@xxxxxxxxxx";>eadamy@xxxxxxxxxx</A><BR>&gt;&gt;From: 
&quot;Earl Adamy&quot; &lt;<A 
href="mailto:eadamy@xxxxxxxxxx";>eadamy@xxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;To: 
RealTraders Discussion Group &lt;<A 
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;Subject: 
Re: Identifying Pivots (wad Dow Theory Applied)<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;Some 
quick thoughts on pivot definition:<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;1) Pivots should be 
identified according to strength which is the <BR>&gt;number of 
bars<BR>&gt;&gt;on either side of the pivot point which are less extreme than 
the pivot&nbsp; <BR>&gt;e.g.<BR>&gt;&gt;strength of 2 means that two bars on 
either side of the pivot are less <BR>&gt;extreme<BR>&gt;&gt;than the pivot 
(exception for flats - see below). The greater the <BR>&gt;strength of 
a<BR>&gt;&gt;pivot, the more important it is.<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;2) A higher 
compression e.g. weekly vs daily can be used in lieu of 
<BR>&gt;greater<BR>&gt;&gt;strength to identify more important 
pivots.<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;3) Use of averages and other filters will 
inevitably lead to <BR>&gt;misidentification<BR>&gt;&gt;of some 
pivots.<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;4) Virtually all pivot identification routines 
appear to be designed by<BR>&gt;&gt;programmers rather than traders and therefor 
fail to properly identify<BR>&gt;&gt;conditions which are critically important 
to proper pivot <BR>&gt;identification:<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;a) The bar to the 
immediate left of the leftmost bar checked for <BR>&gt;strength 
must<BR>&gt;&gt;be checked for True High or True Low i.e. most pivot routines do 
not <BR>&gt;check for<BR>&gt;&gt;gap conditions at the far left which would 
nullify a pivot.<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;b) Bars to the right of a pivot may be 
flat (equal to the pivot <BR>&gt;extreme) except<BR>&gt;&gt;that the rightmost 
bar in a pivot must be less extreme than the pivot. 
<BR>&gt;Most<BR>&gt;&gt;pivot routines fail to identify flats. Further, when a 
flat occurs in <BR>&gt;dynamic<BR>&gt;&gt;updating with the rightmost bar equal 
to the preceding bars, the <BR>&gt;routine needs<BR>&gt;&gt;to remember this 
fact and, when the next bar arrives, check to see if <BR>&gt;the 
new<BR>&gt;&gt;bar is less extreme thereby validating the pivot some bars 
further back <BR>&gt;than 
the<BR>&gt;&gt;&quot;strength&quot;.</DIV></BODY></HTML>
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From: "Earl Adamy" <eadamy@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Real, traders" <Realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: DiNapoli's Book
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DiNapoli's Fibonacci based techniques are good and practical, bought his
workshop on tape (8 tapes $400+-) about a decade ago and have been through
it many times. Book covers more or less same material at $150 discounted
30%+ at some online book sellers. I would also recommend looking at Miner's
Dynamic Trading (www.dynamictraders.com) $100 - not available at book
sellers. Miner teaches similar Fibonacci techniques which he complements
with very basic/practical Elliot Wave, time analysis, some basic trading
patterns, and detailed entry/exit strategies. His material is very well
written and very practical - if had to recommend only one book to any trader
(newbie or veteran), this would be it.

Earl

----- Original Message -----
From: William DuBroff <mcsquare@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Real, traders <Realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 8:00 PM
Subject: DiNapoli's Book


> Can anyone provide a short review of Trading with DiNapoli Levels by J.
> DiNapoli?  Is it useful and does it provide unique information?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bill
>