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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Messaggio originale-----</B><BR><B>Da: 
</B>Gram &lt;gramario@xxxxxx&gt;<BR><B>A: 
</B>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
&lt;<A 
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR><B>Data: 
</B>08 July 1999 20:49<BR><B>Oggetto: </B>R: Astro Technical Analysis - Double 
Standard?<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>In a football match (soccer), everyone runs 
after the fella who has the ball. What I mean by this is that it is natural to 
be criticised, even ridiculed at times (Edison being a case in point). Every 
major discovery has always underone a process of:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>1/. being ridiculed;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>2/. being general accepted as 
normal;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>3/. being taken for granted by everyone as 
natural.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>We should not mistake mere bantering for severe 
criticism. Traders tend to be hard on systems developers; this stems from many 
factors, not the least from rip-off merchants who whip up a few 
&quot;known&quot; facts and serve it up to us as the &quot;grail&quot;. Also 
because when we are trading we are always starting from a hole - we cannot 
afford to be easy-going, otherwise the vultures snap us up.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT color=#000000 
size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Has anyone really said that there is no value in 
Astro analysis?&nbsp; Is there that there anything be ashamed of in attempting 
to post trades? Even if they do not work out perfectly all the time, it does not 
necessarily mean that the system is useless. After 10,000 failures in attempting 
to develop the electric light bulb, did not Edison merely state that he had 
found the 10, 000th way NOT to make the electric light bulb. This is not to say 
the 10,001 would not work - and in fact, here we are!.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Not that I feel sufficiently expert in giving 
grist to your mill (Astro experts), but it seems that Carolan makea a good case 
for a correlation between lunar aspects in the 1929 and 1987 crashes - vis a 
vis, The Spiral Calendar.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Post your trades, do not worry about criticism. 
Be great!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Ira - has enough really been said?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Gram.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
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style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Messaggio originale-----</B><BR><B>Da: 
    </B>Ira &lt;ist@xxxxxx&gt;<BR><B>A: </B>Jim 
    White &lt;<A 
    href="mailto:jwhite43@xxxxxxx";>jwhite43@xxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR><B>Cc: </B><A 
    href="mailto:nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> &lt;<A 
    href="mailto:nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;; Real 
    Traders 99 &lt;<A 
    href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR><B>Data: 
    </B>08 July 1999 16:54<BR><B>Oggetto: </B>Re: Astro Technical Analysis - 
    Double Standard?<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>I have followed this thread on astro 
    for a while and said nothing.&nbsp; At this point I feel that a reply is 
    called for.&nbsp; Norman has contributed to this forum on many 
    occasions.&nbsp; Some times he was right and other times he was right, but a 
    little off on the timing.&nbsp; I don't recall him being really wrong. 
    <BR>Here is someone, who once again, says give me something for 
    nothing.&nbsp; Everything about astro is out there. Norman found something 
    that works for him and thought that someone else might benefit by it and put 
    his thoughts out there.&nbsp; If you are that anxious to prove or disprove 
    the theory, go out there, do YOUR<B><FONT size=+2> </FONT></B>homework and 
    come back and disprove what he has to say. If you want to learn about it, 
    contact Norman or someone else that teaches it.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I don't 
    use astro because it doesn't suit my trading style.&nbsp; I spent a year 
    developing a system that works for me and I won't give that away either. If 
    you want a short cut pay for it.&nbsp; If you want to do it on your own, you 
    will pay an awful lot more and maybe never succeed.&nbsp; If you are just 
    out there to badger people I am sure that Mr. Duffey will enlist you on his 
    team. 
    <P>Nuff said.&nbsp; Ira. 
    <P>Jim White wrote: 
    <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE = CITE>This reveals the real objective of this 
        individual - not to further the <BR>knowledge of the trader but to sell 
        you something. <BR>And there is no double standard. Each and every 
        technique should stand up to <BR>the same level of scrutiny. I would 
        like to see just one astro guy respond <BR>to questions on his technique 
        with an objective experiment that could be <BR>tested by anyone. I don't 
        think we will see such an offer. <BR>Jim <BR>----- Original Message 
        ----- <BR>From: nwinski &lt;nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt; <BR>To: Real 
        Traders 99 &lt;realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt; <BR>Sent: Wednesday, July 
        07, 1999 11:46 PM <BR>Subject: Astro Technical Analysis - Double 
        Standard? 
        <P>&gt; RTs, <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; . One observation that I have made is 
        that&nbsp; it seem that the skeptics <BR>&gt; set a higher standard for 
        Astrology than they do for any other form of <BR>&gt; market analysis. 
        When someone mentions that they got a buy signal based <BR>&gt; on some 
        oscillator or moving average, you don't see the entire RT list <BR>&gt; 
        jump all over them asking for extensive statistics and causation proving 
        <BR>&gt; that it works. If they do mention that it works 70% of the 
        time, people <BR>&gt; are crawling thru their computer monitors to try 
        to get the formulae for <BR>&gt; the new found holly grail. Now, I am 
        apparently expected to give <BR>&gt; definitive scientific proof and 
        causation for Astrology and the markets. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; This is a 
        double standard applied by the skeptics. It is does not set a <BR>&gt; 
        fair or level playing field. <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; My 
        purpose in posting Astro correlations is only to whet peoples <BR>&gt; 
        appetites for this area of study.&nbsp; I am not here to do their 
        research or <BR>&gt; homework. If they can see a nugget of value in 
        researching something I <BR>&gt; post, then I have done the list a 
        valuable service. If someone decides <BR>&gt; that they would like to 
        seriously pursue this avenue of study, I stand <BR>&gt; ready to help. 
        <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Appetizingly, <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Norman 
    <BR>&gt;</P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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The Technical Analysis of Stocks and Commodities had an article once that 
said someone had success trading with astrology. There was a trading 
software program based on astrology advertised in TASC. Somebody could 
probably get a demo of the program and backtest it.
TASC probably has info on this subject. You could check their website.
I read TASC every month, I recommend reading it to all traders, it is a 
wealth of information on everything concerning trading. If you want a 
trading system there are properly tested trading systems in this magazine 
every issue, yours for the cost of the magazine.





>From: Steve McGuire <netvest@xxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: netvest@xxxxxxxxx
>To: Ira <ist@xxxxxx>
>CC: Jim White <jwhite43@xxxxxxx>, nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,        Real 
>Traders 99 <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: Re: Astro Technical Analysis - Double Standard?
>Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 11:06:54 -0400
>
>Amen!
>
>Ira wrote:
>
> > I have followed this thread on astro for a while and said nothing.  At
> > this point I feel that a reply is called for.  Norman has contributed
> > to this forum on many occasions.  Some times he was right and other
> > times he was right, but a little off on the timing.  I don't recall
> > him being really wrong.
> > Here is someone, who once again, says give me something for nothing.
> > Everything about astro is out there. Norman found something that works
> > for him and thought that someone else might benefit by it and put his
> > thoughts out there.  If you are that anxious to prove or disprove the
> > theory, go out there, do YOUR homework and come back and disprove what
> > he has to say. If you want to learn about it, contact Norman or
> > someone else that teaches it.    I don't use astro because it doesn't
> > suit my trading style.  I spent a year developing a system that works
> > for me and I won't give that away either. If you want a short cut pay
> > for it.  If you want to do it on your own, you will pay an awful lot
> > more and maybe never succeed.  If you are just out there to badger
> > people I am sure that Mr. Duffey will enlist you on his team.
> >
> > Nuff said.  Ira.
> >
> > Jim White wrote:
> >
> >> This reveals the real objective of this individual - not to further
> >> the
> >> knowledge of the trader but to sell you something.
> >> And there is no double standard. Each and every technique should
> >> stand up to
> >> the same level of scrutiny. I would like to see just one astro guy
> >> respond
> >> to questions on his technique with an objective experiment that
> >> could be
> >> tested by anyone. I don't think we will see such an offer.
> >> Jim
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: nwinski <nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: Real Traders 99 <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 11:46 PM
> >> Subject: Astro Technical Analysis - Double Standard?
> >>
> >> > RTs,
> >> >
> >> > . One observation that I have made is that  it seem that the
> >> skeptics
> >> > set a higher standard for Astrology than they do for any other
> >> form of
> >> > market analysis. When someone mentions that they got a buy signal
> >> based
> >> > on some oscillator or moving average, you don't see the entire RT
> >> list
> >> > jump all over them asking for extensive statistics and causation
> >> proving
> >> > that it works. If they do mention that it works 70% of the time,
> >> people
> >> > are crawling thru their computer monitors to try to get the
> >> formulae for
> >> > the new found holly grail. Now, I am apparently expected to give
> >> > definitive scientific proof and causation for Astrology and the
> >> markets.
> >> >
> >> > This is a double standard applied by the skeptics. It is does not
> >> set a
> >> > fair or level playing field.
> >> >      My purpose in posting Astro correlations is only to whet
> >> peoples
> >> > appetites for this area of study.  I am not here to do their
> >> research or
> >> > homework. If they can see a nugget of value in researching
> >> something I
> >> > post, then I have done the list a valuable service. If someone
> >> decides
> >> > that they would like to seriously pursue this avenue of study, I
> >> stand
> >> > ready to help.
> >> >
> >> > Appetizingly,
> >> >
> >> > Norman
> >> >
> >


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