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<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Hi Tom,</DIV>
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<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Having&nbsp;played electronic games 
with my kids and grandkids, I'm not so shure about your idea.&nbsp; They will 
sit fascinated for hours, playing the game over &amp; over, but when you look 
closely at what they are doing it turns out they are LOSING and resetting it 
over&nbsp;and over again.&nbsp; When they finally succeed and reach the tenth 
level, or what ever, they totally lose interest.&nbsp; This is great for the 
game industry, but not so good for trading.</DIV>
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<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; How about letting your son, play with 
your charts, etc.&nbsp; He doesn't have to know the details and terminology,  
just "I buy when this little squiggle line does that". &nbsp;When he gets the 
high score and loses interest, quickly copy down what he did and use it as the 
basis for a system.</DIV>
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Good luck and good 
trading,</DIV>
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Ray Raffurty</DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  THOMAS BECK </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
  href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
  title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 07, 1999 7:46 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> GEN:Trading Team?</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello Rt's</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A STORY...</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Forth of July barbeque , I'm 
  sitting on the deck engaged in casual conversation. The subject of Trading 
  comes up. As the conversation develops and goes through methods and techniques 
  of tradeing, I'm asked if and when I find my Holy Grail method will I teach it 
  to my sons. Of course...but not yet was my almost reflexive reply. My oldest 
  son is 8 years old and the thought of handing over my account to an 8 year old 
  was of course funny...the comment was of course meant to be funny. However the 
  thought stuck with me for a few days. </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; A<FONT size=2> month earlier my 
  account had dropped suddenly, the victim of news on a particular stock I held. 
  A $10,000 loss in a matter of minutes...arrrgh!!! That ticklish tummy feeling 
  you get in a quickly desending elevator times a quadrillion. My mind raced 
  about what the loss meant and I regreted not haveing sold on open. $10,000 is 
  two jet skis, a small ski boat, Five big screen TV's, twice the value of my 
  current car, XX days work, XX months of mortgage etc......I'm sure some of you 
  are familiar with this experience. Luckily the stock recovered later in the 
  week but the feeling remained. I hadn't seen just numbers, I saw what those 
  numbers meant to me. Anyone who's drawn a salary or an hourly wage couldn't 
  help but to do the same, have the same reaction.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><FONT size=2>T</FONT>HE TWO THOUGHTS COME 
  TOGETHER</FONT></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; As I sat a watched 
  my son play "Star Fox" (a video game), I wondered if he could play my game 
  "Stock Market" (also a video game) and do as well. His quick reflexes and 
  tolerance for mundane repetion, pattern recognition and attention to detail 
  learned from playing video games would be an advantage. At 8 his IQ is already 
  greater than mine (proud parent bragging). His inexperience though, I thought, 
  would actually be his greatest advantage. He could "pull the trigger" and 
  follow a preset tradeing methodology without second guessing, hesitation, fear 
  or greed. The numbers that have meaning to me would just be numbers to 
  him.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Reading 
  through the past posts to RealTraders I get the impression that methodology is 
  less important to successful trading than confidence in one's methodology, 
  consistency of that methods application and the methodologys timely 
  excecution. The method could be based on market news, interest rates, 
  momentum, relative strength, earnings per share...phases of the moon or rubber 
  ducks as long as it's executed with confidence and consistency in a timely 
  manner.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial>THE ULTIMATE TEAM...PERHAPS?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Perhaps confident skill and 
  experience are difficult to put into one person. Those that have both, become 
  master traders. For the rest of us perhaps there would be value in, after 
  having found a methodology we can hang our hats on, turning over an account to 
  an 8yr old who could execute the plan without emotion. Just kidding...sort 
  of...</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Just a random thought I had. Hope it sparks some 
  response.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am by no means a master trader and I don't 
  pretend to any particular skill or knowlege. I'm a rank amateur at this game 
  trying to get better. I am however starting to get a feel for the psychology 
  of trading problems that more experience players have tried to express here on 
  real traders.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>Has anyone put together such a 
team?</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Subject: Re: Trading Gen: The Duck  -  Astology
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Norman does not use what he eats or how he loves his cat to trade. Norman 
says he uses astrology to make his trading decisions. Everything else is 
extraneous and has no relationship to Normans abilty to forecast (although 
one could argu, it might effect his ability to trade his forecasts).

 

In a message dated 99-07-07 11:26:43 EDT, alevitin@xxxxxxxx writes:

<< 
 I did not talk with Aristotle for some time, but from the fact #1 (Norman
 is super successful and makes tons of money) you can not conclude that
 astrology is to blame for it. Because Norman (Fact #2) also eats healthy
 food, exercises regularly, love his cat (if he has one), etc. >>