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to ease my conscience, i am a recently failed (ie ran out of risk 
capital!) trader, and am discouraged but still want to eventually get 
back into trading, can everyone out there give me an idea of how long 
it took most of you to begin making a living as a trader, and if you 
dont mind, how much money was lost prior to this point, the first 
firm i was with was a bunch of scalpers (i know) and the second was 
better but they ran out of space for me when advertising started to 
bring in kids with $500,000 acounts (22 years old either they were in 
menudo, or their parents gave it them), also what is a general profit 
objective/stop among successful traders, and how long are these 
positions generally held? both firms were targeting 1/2 point with a 
1/4 point or less stop (again, i know) also are their any other 
related professions out there that i may want to look at? (without 
being a broker-hello ms. gruver i have some wonderful opportunies in 
stock-click-market)

thanks in advance for the insight

sean