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<DIV><FONT face=System size=4><STRONG><EM><FONT 
color=#000080>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
Bravo&nbsp; Jerry!&nbsp;&nbsp; I think it's a case of Forest for&nbsp; the Trees 
syndrome. Also in America we are always looking for a bargain. Cheaper is 
better. Well, cheaper is not always better. </FONT></EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=System size=4><STRONG><EM><FONT color=#000080>The best firms are 
in the business of providing the best service. But it is a business, and the 
best sometimes costs a little more.&nbsp; You wouldn't walk into a Jaguar dealer 
expecting them to supply you with their car at Hyundai prices and then storm off 
indignantly when they </FONT></EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=System size=4><STRONG><EM><FONT color=#000080>could not. 
Or&nbsp; 'cleverly' proclaim that they were trying to cheat you and that you 
know better.</FONT></EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=System size=4><STRONG><EM><FONT color=#000080>Yes it amazes me 
that some traders do not value it as an intrinsic part of their basic 
cost</FONT></EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=System size=4><STRONG><EM><FONT color=#000080>of doing business, 
and that it is money well-spent.</FONT></EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=System size=4><STRONG><EM><FONT color=#000080>&nbsp;As George 
Sorros once said,&quot; Pay peanuts...Expect Monkeys.&nbsp; - 
D.B</FONT>.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A 
href="mailto:Jdonato98@xxxxxxx";>Jdonato98@xxxxxxx</A> &lt;<A 
href="mailto:Jdonato98@xxxxxxx";>Jdonato98@xxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR>To: RealTraders 
Discussion Group &lt;<A 
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR>Date: 
Thursday, May 27, 1999 9:40 AM<BR>Subject: On-Line Trading &amp; 
Commissions<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>&gt;It never ceases to amaze me, we as traders, 
especially Future and options, <BR>&gt;that we spend thousands of dollars on 
books, magazines, day-trading <BR>&gt;subscriptions, trading systems, software, 
real time and delayed quotes, and a <BR>&gt;host of other services to help us 
find the &quot;Magic Trade&quot;, but we won't spend <BR>&gt;$20 to $30 to place 
a trade directly with a broker.<BR>&gt;Everyone is trying to get into the market 
for $5 to $10 and then complain <BR>&gt;about bad fills, delays in execution, 
and a loss of money because of it.<BR>&gt;Do you realize we are talking about 
less than 1 tick on the bonds or crude <BR>&gt;oil or any of the other 
commodities?<BR>&gt;A good broker with a reputable firm will save you more than 
that and give you <BR>&gt;your fill while you are on the phone and watch your 
trades and stops. Plus he <BR>&gt;will normally assist you with his own view of 
the markets.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;All the Best,<BR>&gt;Jerry Donato 
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RT's,

     I developed a T-bond/D-Mark method several years ago, it does not trade 
much due to a filter I call "One close against." If in a downtrend and 
yesterday is an upclose, only now do I possible have a signal for tomorrow. 
Upon backtesting and real time trading, "One close against" reduced my trades 
in half, but only reduced my profits by 20%. The drawdown though went down 
66%.

      Using the information of backtesting, I tested how many times I would 
have a string of losses (drawdown), upon viewing this, I discovered that I 
seldom had three losses in a row. So I tested if I would add one more 
contract when I had three contracts and the results were very favorable. Then 
I tested that I would add one contract if I had two losses in a row and that 
came out favorable, then if a third loss, I would add additional contract and 
again, it did well. After a profit, I would drop down to one contract size.

     The last test I am currently working on is if I had two or three losses 
in a row and then get a profit, keep the same contract size for one more 
trade and so far that has been very good so far.

     I believe that one needs to backtest enough to know what the most string 
of losses occur before one just adds contracts. I was trading a method in 
1993, at one stage I lost 23 trades in a row, luckily I only lost $5400, but 
had I added another contract after ten losses, I'd been wiped out.

Jim