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<DIV><FONT size=2>Group:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Just sharing this information FWIW.&nbsp; Judging my Ned's 
responses to my</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>questions I'm surprised he is not in politics.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Charles</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From: 
</B>Ned Gandevani &lt;<A 
href="mailto:Gandevani@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>Gandevani@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR><B>To: 
</B>charles meyer &lt;<A 
href="mailto:chmeyer@xxxxxxxx";>chmeyer@xxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR><B>Date: 
</B>Wednesday, March 10, 1999 9:30 AM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: FORM 
CONFIRMATION<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Dear Charles:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Thanks for your interest in 
Winning Edge S&amp;P Day Trading Strategies.&nbsp; In regards with your 
questions, I call your attention to the following notes:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR>&gt;I please have some questions about your services and will 
&gt;present them according to<BR>&gt;the sequence read and parsed from your 
web<BR>&gt;pages in the following order of subjects.<BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR>&gt;Profit Target:&nbsp; &quot;When you evaluate a day<BR>&gt;trading 
methodology you need to see a higher percentage &gt;of winning trades with 
relative small losses.&quot;&nbsp; Indeed, your &gt;track 
record<BR>&gt;indicates an average monthly winning percentage of &gt;almost 80% 
from December, '97<BR>&gt;through February, '99.&nbsp; How is such an 
im-<BR>&gt;pressive win percentage achieved when market<BR>&gt;lore suggests 
that over the short term the markets are &gt;random?&nbsp; Especially, since 
this<BR>&gt;high win percentage is not achieved from position trading 
&gt;systems?&nbsp; </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>I guess the answer to your question would 
require me to go over through the fundamentals of my methodology and approach to 
the capital markets including S&amp;P market.&nbsp; Is it possible to profit 
form &quot;short term random&quot; that's the mission of about 85% day traders 
in the S&amp;P market.&nbsp; Without going into details about my methodology ( 
I'm sure you'd understand), let me just illustrate how we could utilize a simple 
but powerful concept in dealing with humans and subsequently S&amp;P market 
participants as well.&nbsp; Take a look at your own life.&nbsp; You would notice 
that you go through ALMOST a fixed and constant habitual rituals.&nbsp; You get 
up at some specific time in the morning, you take your shower and have breakfast 
and so.&nbsp; Everyday, you and I and almost all go through a set of habitual 
patterns and behavior.&nbsp; Now, I&nbsp; bet with somebody who doesn't know you 
as mush as I, would you say, I have higher odds to my favor in my bet.&nbsp; Doe 
it mean that I could exactly &quot;predict or forecast&quot; your 
behavior.&nbsp; Not at all.&nbsp; Or at least I don't dare to claim that.&nbsp; 
But, I do have a high probability in my bets with other people.&nbsp; Why were I 
able to do so.&nbsp; As mentioned before, I have been utilizing an amazing 
character of human nature.&nbsp; We're the creature of habits.&nbsp; We need to 
live within our comfort zone, getting away from our comfort zone ( read habitual 
patterns and behavior) creates a cognitive dissonance and quite discomfort for 
us.&nbsp; So we'd stay within those habitual parameters.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;Finally, do you provide any documented evidence that &gt;your real time 
results are the same as the track record &gt;posted?&nbsp; Restated, how can 
your<BR>&gt;clients be sure that you even take any of the trades? </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Any prospective students should due his or her 
due diligence before taking my course or anyone else.&nbsp;&nbsp; No, I do not 
provide any &quot;documented evidence&quot; to prove my case.&nbsp; Although, I 
could see why you could be skeptical, which is good and healthy.&nbsp; And I 
encourage you to do so.&nbsp; This hopefully gives you a better cushion in 
sorting good courses from better ones.&nbsp; However, I have some concern about 
a similar approach regarding the results of the originator of the a trading 
system or methodology.&nbsp; My concern is that some people may think that if 
the originator of a trading method has a great performance, automatically, they 
could and should have the same results as well.&nbsp; My problem with this 
notion is it doesn't consider the important factor of one's or trader's 
psychology.&nbsp; For that matter, you may or may not agree, that if you give 
&quot;the holy grail&quot; to someone, he or she not only couldn't make money, 
he would lose as well.&nbsp; In my view there are two important pillars in 
successful trading, one the trading method and the other trader's 
psychology.&nbsp; These two factors interact with each other in a virtual circle 
fashion.&nbsp; One reduces or increases the effect of the other 
one.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>But, what I offer is several 
things;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>1.&nbsp; One week free trial of my 
signals.&nbsp; This should, at least give you some idea how good or awful my 
signals are.&nbsp; These signals, are not after market action or hindsight, they 
would be sent to you after market openness.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>2.&nbsp; A student could come to my office and see me 
trading.&nbsp; That should be a sufficient proof.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&gt;After all, at your prices, you probably earn enough from the &gt;web 
site that you don't have to take any trades.<BR></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>It all depends on your calculations and the cost of living.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;Commission Costs:.....&quot;real floor access&quot;...<BR>&gt;Assuming 
you are taking these trades, you must have an &gt;order entry method you can 
re-<BR>&gt;commend; either through a discount broker 
or<BR>&gt;otherwise?<BR></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>I'm sorry I don't understand what you're saying 
or what you're asking.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Equipment Requirements:&nbsp; Are there any tool-<BR>box indicators 
available on the various software packages which are necessary for 
the<BR>purpose of learning your methodology?&nbsp; <BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>No,&nbsp; By &quot;Equipment Requirements&quot; 
I refer to Real Time data, charting programs.&nbsp; You could trade my 
methodology on any charting program you wish without any indicators!&nbsp; 
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;Personality:&nbsp; &quot;Is your makeup best suited to<BR>&gt;position 
or day trading&quot;?&nbsp; You mention per-<BR>&gt;sonality tests, 
perfectionistic types etc.<BR>&gt;although the bottom line seems to be 
the<BR>&gt;ability to think in odds and probabilities<BR>&gt;realizing that 
losing is simply a cost or part of doing &gt;business.&nbsp; How can we 
know<BR>&gt;BEFORE we spend $3,200?&nbsp; <BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>My friend.&nbsp; My article has been written to 
help people like you which may not be quite clear on the necessities of day 
trading.&nbsp; Either you take my course or not, as a day trader, you should be 
able to go through those factors mentioned in my article as guideline to see if 
you're suited for day trading.&nbsp; Then if you decide you could and have the 
essential capabilities for day trading, then create your own trading method and 
trade your favorite market.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;Personalized System:&nbsp; &quot;In brief, to insure the success of a 
&gt;trading system or method-<BR>&gt;odology, you must select or create a 
system<BR>&gt;that is compatible with your personality and 
individuality.&quot;&nbsp; &gt;How can you methodology<BR>&gt;be 'one size that 
fits all' to use a taylor-<BR>&gt;ing analogy.&nbsp; Restated, how do I know 
that<BR>&gt;MY personality is compatible with YOUR 
<BR>&gt;methodology.<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>It's a big mistake to feel and believe that one 
size fits all.&nbsp; This clearly&nbsp; indicates that you're disregarding the 
psychology factor.&nbsp; How could you be succeeful in a trading method which 
may require you take 10 -20 trades.&nbsp; While you're very slow in making 
decsions or may hate to making too many decions in aday.&nbsp; This should help 
you first in choosing a trading method that doe not require you to make many 
decions.&nbsp; But the same trading method could create a devastating resluts 
for another trader who must make or would like to make many trading decions in a 
day.&nbsp; That's why it's so crucial to match and choose a trading method which 
is compatible with your personality.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&gt;Why do you not offer to deduct the $3,200<BR>&gt;from trading profits 
to insure that your<BR>&gt;clients do not squander their money if 
they<BR>&gt;are not able to benefit from your course 
or<BR>&gt;service?<BR></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Doing so, could imply that I guarantee or 
promise your success in day trading, in general.&nbsp; No can't do.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>&gt;I apologize in advance if my questions seem<BR>&gt;brutal or tactless; 
but total honesty<BR>&gt;is the only way I know to get my points across.&nbsp; 
Apart from &gt;that if I spend $3,200<BR>&gt;I want to insure that I get value 
for my<BR>&gt;money.<BR></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Asking questions would always enlighten the 
topic.&nbsp; However, to have a cynical view or predetermined view before 
hearing one's answer would not make the research a due diligence, honest or fact 
seeking one.</FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;Thanks for any feedback you can provide.<BR></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>You're welcome.&nbsp; Hope was 
helpful.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Best, Ned&nbsp; </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From: 
    </B>charles meyer &lt;<A 
    href="mailto:chmeyer@xxxxxxxx";>chmeyer@xxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR><B>To: </B><A 
    href="mailto:ned@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ned@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> &lt;<A 
    href="mailto:ned@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ned@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR><B>Date: 
    </B>Tuesday, March 09, 1999 1:35 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>FORM 
    CONFIRMATION<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
    <DIV><FONT size=2>Dear Sir:</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2>Can you please reply with my 'Comments' on the same 
    page?&nbsp; I should</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2>have done it via e-mail.&nbsp; Thanks.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2>Charles</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>I am in need of a continuos chart, 5-10 years, daily, weekly 
or monthly of the LIBOR or the Yield on the LIBOR. I couldn't find this in the 
usual places, if you know an on-line source, that would work as 
well.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Thanks in advance.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>I would like to think that Charles' Q&amp;A with 
Ned would be incentive enough to steer clear of a program that is so obviously 
vague and misleading.&nbsp; Again and again, ask yourself why any successful 
daytrader would go out of his way and charge you $3,200(a ridiculous sum of 
money) to learn his system.&nbsp; He even admits that many people do not have 
the pschological make-up to daytrade.&nbsp; Then, after that he says he will not 
produce any brokerage statements confirming his profitability, what a 
joke!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>If I were to ever solicit my services to the 
public and ask hard working people to fork over 3k, I would post the numbers I 
was making in the market.&nbsp; Hopefully, if they were huge numbers I would not 
have to sell anything besides the fact that I was extremely successful.&nbsp; 
Unfortunately, the band of hucksters that fill the printed pages and airwaves 
with all of their curvefitted, untimely services steal money from people who 
have no business daytrading anyway.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>I apologize if I have offended anybody with my 
two cents worth.&nbsp; But believe me, I have had it with all of these people 
who are so obviously in the business of stealing money.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Pete Beckwith</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Chicago, IL</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Any Metastock whizzes out there?&nbsp; This shouldn't 
be that hard, but I can find no documentation anywhere in Metastock help or 
website.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000>I know how to plot a displaced moving average on a 
chart.&nbsp; What I'm trying to do is write it as an indicator formula to add to 
an expert commentary.&nbsp; Metastock calls the displacement action a 
&quot;horizontal shift&quot;, but those words are nowhere else to be found in 
their help.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Let's say I wanted a 10 period moving average displaced 3 periods.&nbsp; 
Anybody know how I would write it?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks!</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Linda<BR>Swope's Mountain Photography<BR><A 
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into flower; the winds will blow their freshness into you &amp; storms their 
energy, &amp; cares will drop off you like autumn leaves. John Muir 1838 - 
1914</FONT></DIV>
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In a message dated 3/16/99 1:39:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,
lswope@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:

<< Fischer figures you take the length of the retracement, multiply it and add
it to C. >>
Linda:
Just to clarify the procedure, for Fischer are you again multiplying by the
same factors .618, 1 and 1.618 which are used by DiNapoli?  Also what time
frames are you using such as 5 min, daily etc.
Lynn