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Forgot to mention that I know someone who went to Van Tharp's
intensive one on one sessions. He's still the same guy he
was before he went.
At the risk of creating the wrong impression (I don't have a problem
with alcohol, gambing etc....only trading<G>) you might SERIOUSLY check
out a 12 Step Group. The process forces honestly with one's self
which hopefully results in a sort of spiritual transformation. Don't
take my word for it read "A Skeptic's Guide To The Twelve Steps"
by Phillip Z. a pseudonym for a psychiatrist in private practice in
the San Franscisco Bay Area.
Charles
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> From: charles meyer <chmeyer@xxxxxxxx>
> To: znmeb@xxxxxxxxxxxx; RealTraders Discussion Group
<realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: PSYCH HELP
> Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 7:35 PM
>
> Group:
>
> Good information in this post. Number 2 didn't work for me so I
> can't suggest it. I can recommend Van Tharp's course but it is
> only a start. Van Tharp introduces you to your problems; but you
> have to solve them for yourself. Someone told me that they had
> really been helped by Ruth Roosevelt but this is only one trader.
> I know of someone who went to one of Van Tharp's seminars and
> he's still the same guy he was before he went. Simply on an
> intutive level (bias?<G>) something doesn't resonate with me that
> Van Tharp is a great teacher when he doesn't even trade. And once
> you are on his mailing list he will hound you till hell freezes over;
> soliciting you to buy something or to attend one of his seminars.
> Also went to Mark Douglas' seminar but feel I paid a lot of money for
> precious little advice. Dont' forget the importance of number 3.
> Restated, you can be an icon of psychological health and still
> lose your butt if you trade a system that doesn't have a math-
> matical edge.
>
> Charles
>
> ----------
> > From: znmeb@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > To: RealTraders Discussion Group <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: Re: PSYCH HELP
> > Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 3:39 PM
> >
> > [Quoth the POMPATIS@xxxxxxx:]
> > >
> > > Greetings:
> > >
> > > Do any of you know of a hypnotherapist in So. CA. that specializes
in,
> or is
> > > at least familiar with, the challenges and trials of trading?
> > >
> > > I am ready to look into getting professional assistance, basicaly
> behavior and
> > > belief modification type of stuff; for which it seems, hypnotherapy
is
> well
> > > suited.
> > >
> > > I am in the Santa Barbara area and there are plenty of therapists but
> none
> > > that I know of that know a lick about trading.
> > >
> > > Any guidance or info is greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Pompatis
> > >
> >
> > 1. It might be worth your while to fly to New York for Ruth Roosevelt
or
> > North Carolina for Van Tharp's seminars.
> >
> > 2. Another approach might be to pick a hypnotherpist locally who also
> > does Neuro-Linguistic Programming and have him or her do what the NLP
> > folks call "modeling". You could also supply the therapist with books
by
> > Tharp, Schwager's "Market Wizards" and other books on the psychology of
> > trading to seed their thinking.
> >
> > 3. Maybe you don't need a hypnotherapist or other psychological
> > practitioner, but rather a mathematician/statistician. :-). In other
> > words, maybe the reason you're trading is stressful is because you
don't
> > understand the mathematics of your approach, what kind of odds it is
> > offering. Or maybe it doesn't have a winning edge, or maybe it has an
> > edge but doesn't suit your personality. With all due repsect to those
> > who work in the field of trader psychology, an awful lot of trading
> > methodologies suck and just having the discipline through hypnosis to
> > follow them better isn't going to turn you into a winning trader if
> > youi're saddled with a mathematically worthless approach.
> >
> > I went out and learned a lot about NLP and hypnosis at one point, but
> > never did any formal training and decided to focus on the mathematical
> > aspects, which, given my 35 plus years experience in scientific and
> > statistical computing should come as no great surprise. If you find a
> > therapist who wants to work with you, I'd be happy to look at the
> > mathematics of your methodology to see if there are any reasons you
> > shouldn't be trading it.
> > --
> > znmeb@xxxxxxxxxxxx (M. Edward Borasky) http://www.teleport.com/~znmeb
> >
> > If God had meant carrots to be eaten cooked, He would have given
rabbits
> > fire.
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