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<DIV><FONT size=2>Not unless you can prove that your order was ahead of the
other orders which were filled at the same price.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>I haven't learned a whole lot about the FTG
system but apparently they have interfaced the user end to several different
order routing systems via their own computers. The sticking point with all
electronic systems is the point when something goes wrong with the system and
every time I think about this I have to wonder how one knows where the order is
when there is a problem.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Earl</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From:
</B>Gary Kramer <<A
href="mailto:gmkramer@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>gmkramer@xxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>To:
</B>RealTraders Discussion Group <<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Tuesday, January 26, 1999 7:15 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: Time and Sales
request<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><EM><FONT color=#000000 size=2>I checked the CME Time and Sales and it
appears that there was a cancellation of a 1245.30 trade. It does
appear that there were 3 trades at the 45.50 level, however. I don't
think so, but do I still have a gripe with the broker??</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT size=2>P.S. I am about to do a reversal. I have
been praising PMB for some time on this forum. Lately, however, system
has been sluggish, fills lousy, and occasional outages without
warning. Plus, their customer service is terrible. In regard to
the above problem, I had to talk with 4 people before someone finally looked
at Time and Sales and suggested that there was a cancelled trade! I am
checking out FTG and will probably switch over shortly. Trading is
difficult enough without having to worry about brokerage problems.
Yesterday, I entered an order for what would have been a great trade.
The order never make it to the floor. If I had been using FTG, there
would not have been a problem!</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT size=2></FONT></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT size=2>Hope this works out!</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT size=2></FONT></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT size=2>Gary</FONT></EM></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original
Message-----</B><BR><B>From: </B>Earl Adamy <<A
href="mailto:eadamy@xxxxxxxxxx";>eadamy@xxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>To:
</B>RealTraders Discussion Group <<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Tuesday, January 26, 1999 5:23 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: Time and
Sales request<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The CME's official Time and Sales is posted each
evening to the CME web pages where it can be downloaded and inspected.
Another file at the same site explains the format. It isn't real easy
reading but it shows everything including cancels, inserts, bid, ask,
and corrections.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Earl</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original
Message-----</B><BR><B>From: </B>Gary Kramer <<A
href="mailto:gmkramer@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>gmkramer@xxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>To:
</B>RealTraders Discussion Group <<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Tuesday, January 26, 1999 12:10 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Time and
Sales request<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><EM><FONT color=#000000 size=2>does anyone have time and sales
figures for between 11:00 and 11:03 this morning which shows a
cancellation of a spoos trade at 1245.30?
Thanks</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT color=#000000 size=2><BR>Gary
Kramer<BR></FONT></EM></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Not unless you can prove that your order was ahead of the
other orders which were filled at the same price.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>I haven't learned a whole lot about the FTG
system but apparently they have interfaced the user end to several different
order routing systems via their own computers. The sticking point with all
electronic systems is the point when something goes wrong with the system and
every time I think about this I have to wonder how one knows where the order is
when there is a problem.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Earl</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2><B></B></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From:
</B>Gary Kramer <<A
href="mailto:gmkramer@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>gmkramer@xxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>To:
</B>RealTraders Discussion Group <<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Tuesday, January 26, 1999 7:15 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: Time and Sales
request<BR><BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT>
<DIV><EM><FONT color=#000000 size=2>I checked the CME Time and Sales and it
appears that there was a cancellation of a 1245.30 trade. It does
appear that there were 3 trades at the 45.50 level, however. I don't
think so, but do I still have a gripe with the broker??</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT size=2>P.S. I am about to do a reversal. I have
been praising PMB for some time on this forum. Lately, however, system
has been sluggish, fills lousy, and occasional outages without
warning. Plus, their customer service is terrible. In regard to
the above problem, I had to talk with 4 people before someone finally looked
at Time and Sales and suggested that there was a cancelled trade! I am
checking out FTG and will probably switch over shortly. Trading is
difficult enough without having to worry about brokerage problems.
Yesterday, I entered an order for what would have been a great trade.
The order never make it to the floor. If I had been using FTG, there
would not have been a problem!</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT size=2></FONT></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT size=2>Hope this works out!</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT size=2></FONT></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT size=2>Gary</FONT></EM></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original
Message-----</B><BR><B>From: </B>Earl Adamy <<A
href="mailto:eadamy@xxxxxxxxxx";>eadamy@xxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>To:
</B>RealTraders Discussion Group <<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Tuesday, January 26, 1999 5:23 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: Time and
Sales request<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The CME's official Time and Sales is posted each
evening to the CME web pages where it can be downloaded and inspected.
Another file at the same site explains the format. It isn't real easy
reading but it shows everything including cancels, inserts, bid, ask,
and corrections.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Earl</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original
Message-----</B><BR><B>From: </B>Gary Kramer <<A
href="mailto:gmkramer@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>gmkramer@xxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>To:
</B>RealTraders Discussion Group <<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Tuesday, January 26, 1999 12:10 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Time and
Sales request<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><EM><FONT color=#000000 size=2>does anyone have time and sales
figures for between 11:00 and 11:03 this morning which shows a
cancellation of a spoos trade at 1245.30?
Thanks</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT color=#000000 size=2><BR>Gary
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Swiss <tms@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>I'm much better able
>to avoid, defuse, and control violent situations - and also generally
>enjoying life more.
>
Good post Tom, I like the last line the best. I found the last part
(generally enjoying life more) the most important. People start karate for
different reasons and have different abilities from it but generally end up
enjoying life more because of it.
Take Care
Steven M. Casey
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